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When You See a List of Demons Do You Check Yourself For Them?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. wizanda

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    Was just quickly looking up demons in Zoroastrianism to see if it has similar references, then just realized they're all character types that are talking about us, like all the other religions; yet I'm wondering when religious people read this, do they realize it is talking about themselves?
    • Aeshma = Wrath
    • Angra Mainyu = Destructive spirit
    • Bushyasta = Laziness
    • Daeva = Idols
    • Aka Manah = Evil thoughts
    We could also list all the Hindu demons the same, and the Hebraic ones are:
    • Satan = Accuser
    • Devil = Slanderer
    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    My understanding is that whenever the scriptures refer to demons or devils they are referring to the bad qualities within us.
     
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    I said "no" because I would hold onto the position that these demons are not within me as a born-again Christian. No flies ever land on a hot stove, so to speak. However, they can try to attach themselves to our souls(mind, will and emotions) and so we must be vigilant.
     
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    I'm just pleased that I'm not on the list.

    Uh oh....spoke too soon.
     
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    It's just the subconscious mind. I saw it as adversarial for a while, but in the end realized it just me. A part of me I'm not consciously aware of but something it's better to work with than against.
     
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    Satan = adversary
     
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    H7854
    שָׂטָן
    śâṭân
    saw-tawn'
    From H7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.
    Total KJV occurrences: 27

    G4566
    Σατᾶν
    Satan
    sat-an'
    Of Hebrew origin [H7854]; Satan, that is, the devil: - Satan. Compare G4567.
    Total KJV occurrences: 1

    G4567
    Σατανᾶς
    Satanas
    sat-an-as'
    Of Chaldee origin corresponding to G4566 (with the definite article affixed); the accuser, that is, the devil: - Satan.
    Total KJV occurrences: 36

    In Hebrew Hasatan is a Prosecutor.
    Agreed, and as i learned that Socrates made friends with his Daimon, done similar; as realizing when it is challenging me, it isn't always bad, it is just points the ego won't accept.

    Here is a poem expressing the intricacies of 'Listening within'.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Satan means adversary, not accuser.
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    The 'ha' of hasatan is just a definite article. In Hebrew Satan means adversary, from the root s-t-n, to oppose. In Judaism, one of the Satan's adversarial roles is to act as a kategor - prosecutor/accuser, a loanword from the Greek κατήγωρ.
     
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    Sorry, that is here in Isaiah 28:22 Now therefore don’t be scoffers (H3887 לוּץ lûts), lest your bonds be made strong; for I have heard a decree of destruction from the Lord, Yahweh of Armies, on the whole earth.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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    This is a reference to the leaders of the Southern Kingdom ruling in Jerusalem, per verse 14. Not a reference to the devil. Devil comes from Greek diaballein ‘to slander', not from Hebrew.
     
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    Was referring to the word lûts having the meaning a slanderer/mocker/scoffer/etc:

    Isaiah 29:20 For the ruthless (H6184 עריץ ‛ârı̂yts) is brought to nothing, and the scoffer (H3887 לוּץ lûts) ceases, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

    Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,

    This is referencing the same place on our prophetic timeline.

    In my opinion. :innocent:.
     
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    You don't have to keep quoting to me verses that have the word letz in it. I already know it means to scoffer. What you need to do is bring a verse proving that there is an "Hebraic" entity called "devil".
     
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    Firstly we will not always get the same sounding word when dealing with different languages...

    When we check the contexts ârı̂yts used in ancient times, it seems to be a wicked force, something that contends against the Lord.

    Job 6:23 or, ‘Deliver me from the adversary’s hand?’ or, ‘Redeem me from the hands of the oppressors (ârı̂yts)?’

    The hand of the oppressor could easily be replaced with the devil, satan or opposing forces to the Divine.

    It doesn't seem to be until later prophets, that these words lost some of their potential to mean evil forces, as did the concept of the Pit being below Hell.

    Know you won't accept this; yet for me amazingly the concepts in Revelation can all be found within the Tanakh, and it has this same theological structure, that we find in the ancient times.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    You are suffering from bad-translationitis. The word ṣar doesn't mean 'adversary', it means 'oppressor' or more literally 'the guy causing [me] to suffer' from the root ṣ-r-r. The other word 'aritz also means oppressor but as strong people, like big bullies. Neither refer to the Satan in context. Job is pointing out that he never asked his friends for any help.

    Not worth my time.

    Whatev
     
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    What about Lucifer? He comes disguised as an angel of light but is deceiving everyone.
     
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    Lucifer was a king of Babylon according to Isaiah 14.

    The question isn't can you find other things to blame; it was do you recognize the demons within?

    In my opinion.
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    Well, if you want to be technical; then Lucifer is the planet Venus the "morning star". However because it has been interpolated into the Latin/English Bible and is well known as a name of satan therefore it really is. In fact it is. And although Isaiah 14 clearly is speaking of the king of Babylon, yet it's also about satan. At least the simile is of satan if nothing else. I believe it's a dual-prophecy. So about the king of Babylon and yet satan also.

    But... My main point here is that demons are extremely deceptive and can appear good when they're not. So people don't even realize they're dealing with a demon. Demons aren't always openly evil. As the scripture says satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    Here are some other names of demons:
    • baphomet (this is the demon the Templar heretics supposedly worshiped. he seems to be a demon of "sex magic")
    • beelzeboul (prince of devils)
    • molech (take this with a grain of salt. molech is known according to wikipedia anyway as the demon who first wanted to wage war against God. As a deity he was worshiped by brutal child sacrifice.)
    • erlik (this is the "satan" figure of some mythos of Turkish origin I think) Interestingly enough the name erlik equals 55 and 80 just like satan in the alphabetical ordinal code and reverse alphabetical ordinal code.
     
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