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Featured When Was The Universe Created?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Earthling, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    Too tired for this.
     
  2. blü 2

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    Now you're saying the text posits periods shorter than a day. That doesn't make sense as the story's written ─ but then, neither does talking of mornings and evenings before there's a sun (day 4). Such is the Bronze Age storyteller's art.
    Not in my translation, where 2.4 reads,

    These [ie what follows] are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created.​

    We then get the second version of the creation myth.
    Psalm 95:11 reads

    Therefore I swore in my anger
    that they should not enter my rest.​

    and Hebrews 4:2-10 reads

    for whoever enters God's rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his.
    neither of which supports what you claim.


    And as I said, the Sabbath wasn't observed forever; instead Christians changed it to Sunday for their own reasons, disregarding the commandment.
     
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  3. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson
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    You never get what I'm saying, apparently. You never answer my questions. We had this conversation the first week I started posting here. You just keep repeating yourself. Did you get the Alice Cooper reference? The album was recorded in 1969. The original recordings were destroyed but copies were made and available especially after the 1980's. Does that mean the album doesn't exist? I gave you the entire album in the video.

    The Bible was written primarily by hand, with ink on papyrus. Old copies were ceremonially buried. I know that there isn't any secular evidence of the Hebrew language prior to the 10th century B.C.E. but what would you expect? How many times was Jerusalem destroyed? How long do you expect the hand written copies to last once buried? What about other languages? How are those cuniforms dated? They aren't. So it's speculation.

    Listening to the Alice Cooper album is the best evidence there is of it being recorded, but if you determine that no evidence of it exists before 1985 then there is no significance to that statement because it obviously did. Dismissing the Bible as evidence of the Bible is stupid. The alternative isn't circular is logical.

    But then you throw higher criticism and the documentary theory in there and there is not one shred of evidence of your conjecture. And you won't even take into account what the Bible says. It's like discovering a cave painting that's dated but you don't believe it's possible because it mentions the supernatural and foretells events that came true, because it was copied from other caves for years though those caves aren't known.

    The so called skeptical inability to see these types of things blows me away.
     
  4. shunyadragon

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    You brought up the 'Biblical Flood.'
     
  5. shunyadragon

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    I have always answered your questions, but you simply refused to acknowledge the external evidence that actually best documents the history of the text. We can go over it again if it is a problem.

    What you describe is speculation. Other civilizations and cites were repeatedly destroy, and we still have their texts in various forms, even if they are only partial.

    Higher criticism is based on considerable external and internal evidence, which you choose to ignore.

    The Pentateuch is not dated by exterior evidence older than the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it is incomplete.

    ]Arguing from ignorance or unknowns' is a fallacy'
     
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    Oh oops my bad. lol
     
  7. Faithofchristian

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    There's no where in the Bible that claims the earth as being 6000 years old.

    But there is evidence in the Bible that the earth as being millions to billions of years old.

    The earth being covered with water, and then God said ( let the dry land appear)

    So there was land, only covered over by water.
    But however, there is no where in the 6 day creation of Genesis that makes any mentioned anything about the atmosphere/air as being created.

    So that means the earth was already here and the atmosphere/air around the earth.
     
  8. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    Personally, I think the young Earth claims are made by the ignorant. And, I believe that the Bible and actual history blend together very well. The story of the Nephilim in Genesis explains so much.
     
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    Wrong. Hebrew is a offshoot of Canaanite languages
     
  10. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    What? Who are you talking to?
     
  11. shunyadragon

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    What does the story of Nephilim explain?

    The Bible does not explain millions of years of evolution and and the reality of the natural history of humanity.
     
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    . . . and shad is correct.
     
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  13. Shad

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    Earthling.

    If you ignored a user their post will not show in quotes even if made by another user. Like my quote of your post above. If someone has you on ignore they can not see it.

    At times the forum has an ignored user tag but other times it does not.
     
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    The 6 days were not solar days but by the Light of God in Genesis 1:3. Each day shows the 6 ages of the world in Jesus Christ who is the Light. For in each age His Light will shine greater and greater unto the light of a perfect day. The world is made in 6 days in His Light and God rests on the 7th day. The 7th day is yet to come for us and is when God rests in the new Jerusalem which is the apple of His eye.

    This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.​

    The completion of the work. The rough coal is removed and the gem is polished to perfection.

    And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
    Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
    What we see now is not the finished work of God. What we see now is rough and unpolished. However the day is when God create Jerusalem a rejoicing and her people a joy. Suffice to say; creation is on going and is not finished yet. God will rest and we can join Him there in the rest. The holy Spirit is being given today and is the earnest of our inheritance; but who will hear?

    To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.​
     
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