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What? Me worry?
Or any question. This is quandary we find in our human existence; can we reach a level of enlightenment in this life to where questions do not exist?
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When the ego falls away
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Or any question. This is quandary we find in our human existence; can we reach a level of enlightenment in this life to where questions do not exist?
The souls who are 'there' still have the ability to 'come out' from 'there' for dharmic purposes, like teaching, or mundane things like feeding the physical body. Whereas most people put effort into withdrawing the senses, the egoless have to put effort into finding the senses. (Or so I've been told.)
As long as ego remains as in intellectual concept, the 'I' is still there. It's called anava in one Sanskrit version.
There is a story about my Guru's Guru's Guru. An advaitin in town would prattle on about how there was only one, he wasn't separate, all that stuff. Swami (aforementioned) liked to sneak up behind him, tap him on the back, and get him to turn around and ask, 'Who's there?" Swami would say 'It's you!" indicating for the advaitin, and all around that the intellectual understanding was there, but it hadn't actually sunk in. We can't do it through the intellect.
sealchan
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The question that arise is how to explain what happen when the ego is no longer with in what we call the Me Mine, I and so on. It is not possible to understand non self full before the ego has been full detached. But when non self has been understood, it is not easy to explain to those who still cling to a sellf
In dreams you can take measure of your egos attitude with respect to the other standard inner voices (shadow/anima-us/etc) on a day to day basis and see to what extent the ego cooperates with the voices of the greater psyche and to what extent the ego is willing to encounter the other, the outer darkness.
sealchan
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I have a theory that dreams give us the experience of our egos when the "flood" of sensory input which the ego is strongly adapted two is absent. Perhaps the various standard inner personalities that show up in dreams are actually fragments of the waking ego.
Finding balance at this lower energy psychological state helps one to balance the ego in the depth of the powers of the psyche.
Finding balance at this lower energy psychological state helps one to balance the ego in the depth of the powers of the psyche.
Sky Rivers
Active Member
What you call “ego death”, I’ve experienced. Looking back, it was a truly horrific state of being. I’m incredibly grateful to be freed from it. I can now, after so long, experience the beauty and fullness of life.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Why do you feel it was horribe?
MonkeyFire
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I'm a individual part of the whole.
MonkeyFire
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You can have a good ego.
As I see it, anyone can "overcome" ego. But only those that make the effort to understand it and work toward a realization of how to "overcome" (though I see it as more of a letting-it-go process) it actual do.
The thing here is we have no idea how much ego we have.
Lack of ego in my view is total submission to God. Those that were the embodiments of this submission, are Gods Messengers, those that hold all power.
The greatest of beleivers in these Messengers, even those that have given their lives, testify that they do not have and have not acheived, this level of submission.
On the other hand they have forgone a significant level of ego, but if one thinks they have acheived any level of advanced spiritual practice, then ego has played a part. All Faith and good works are 100% a gift of God, we can choose to partake of those gifts. Ego prevents us in many ways.
Regards Tony
charlie sc
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Some might consider this post boastful.The question that arise is how to explain what happen when the ego is no longer with in what we call the Me Mine, I and so on. It is not possible to understand non self full before the ego has been full detached. But when non self has been understood, it is not easy to explain to those who still cling to a sellf
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Why?
I completely understand Buddhism's understanding of no permanent self. I, in no way, was attem
I totally understand that
That is a funny exchange. My guess is you were being humorous in an ego thread.
When there is reference to I, there is naught but ego, especially if one says they fully understand.
I put a question to you both. Just for an example.
If Baha'u'llah is as He claims to be, which in turn tells us that all the Messenger based Faiths are from God, what do you see would prevent us from accepting those claims?
To me it would have to be a significant level of self/ego.
But that is only the start as I see it.
Regards Tony
It is stating that one has found a level of elightment that others have not yet acheived and that they may have difficulty understanding that level. It can be considered that that is mainly ego speaking.
We are all on this journey of life together, we can consider everyone has the capacity and that each in their own way must strive for and find that capacity.
Regards Tony
I can guess.
The last part sounds like you're assuming the role of teacher. (Whether you actually were or not would be up for debate.) Some folks react to that style of language, or anyone just assuming that role, if that was it, in a discussion forum.
charlie sc
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Vinayaka put it nicely. Apart from that, why would you go on a forum to tell people you have let go of your ego?
Who suggested that people have to let go of their egos?
Shantanu
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Not so easy for us humans to let go of our attachments. Necessary though for seeking out the truth and being wise and enlightened, right?
Collectively between you and me, you are correct. Though judging by some of the posts I've read, I would guess it's plentiful.
How would one even measure quantity of ego? What would be the UOM?
That is a funny exchange. My guess is you were being humorous in an ego thread.
When there is reference to I, there is naught but ego, especially if one says they fully understand.
I put a question to you both. Just for an example.
If Baha'u'llah is as He claims to be, which in turn tells us that all the Messenger based Faiths are from God, what do you see would prevent us from accepting those claims?
To me it would have to be a significant level of self/ego.
But that is only the start as I see it.
Regards Tony
I'm glad our posts amused you.
Without ego, this thread would not exist.
Just sayin'
charlie sc
Well-Known Member
I don't think they have to but I think it's a worthy goal. I assumed the OP has successfully, "full detached," from his ego judging from the initial post.