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When the Corporate World Gains too Much Power

Discussion in 'Human Affairs, Political Movements and Charities' started by Cooky, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    People do. As long as you can decide which social media to use, there is no such thing as corporate censorship. Or at least not more censorship than you agreed to.
    Is RF a corporate, communist, authoritarian, censoring forum? They surely have deleted posts from me.
     
  2. icehorse

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    For my money, you're conflating a few different concerns here:

    1 - How should we deal with free speech in the context of social media?
    2 - Can the top .0001% (what I call "oligarchs"), become too powerful?

    For #1, my opinion is that when a social media platform reaches a certain size, they should be considered to be a public utility, or broken up.

    For #2, oligarchs are poisoning MOST aspects of secular societies, and we must defang them.
     
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  3. The Hammer

    The Hammer Wyrd Walker
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    When you sign up for social media such as facebook or twitter, you electronically sign a "User Agreement" that states the platforms Rules, if you don't abide by those Rules, you can be kicked off the platform; just like you can be banned from our forum here for breaking the rules too many times.

    Freedom of Speech, does not mean Freedoms from the consequences of said speech. Can't follow the Rules, "Bye Felicia".

    Nothing dictatorial about it. You agreed to the terms by creating an account. If you didn't read the EULA (end user license agreement) that's on your ***.
     
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  4. Cooky

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    What if the people were allowed to make the rules... I wonder if that's possible.
     
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  5. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Who are the people in this context?
     
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    Everyday citizens. The general population.

    Are you familiar with "ballot measures"..?
     
  7. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    Is Mark Zuckerberg an everyday citizen or a general population?
    Or would he be too rich? :)
     
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    Do you know what a "ballot measure" is..?

    What if there was a computer program that asked specific questions, and people were allowed to describe many things... And all the opinions, of all the people were tallied up to create laws... Like what Facebook is allowed to do or not. Among other things... Would that be good or bad?
     
  9. Heyo

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    It once was. I remember the "wild west" times of usenet.
     
  10. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Yes, you can do that. But in the end, it has to happen within the constitution. So for a privately owned platform are you willing to accept that the public controls their rules on their private property? That is a limitation of private property rights and a sort of in the end socialism.
     
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  11. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    I don't know...
    Who would write the computer program?
    What questions would they ask?

    EDIT:
    I'm thinking about this... was ancient Athens similar to this?
    They had "democracy", and every "citizen" had a voice...
    And they decided to
    * make women have no rights
    * make foreign-born have no rights
    * kill Socrates for making up a God

    Would they have been better if they had a computer program?
     
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  12. Cooky

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    Social scientists. Instead of politicians, we would elect social scientists based on their education levels, and credentials, to formulate questioneers based on subjects that the populace want change in.

    We wouldn't really need "politicians" anymore. The people would be the politicians. And everything would be under our control.
     
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    Why is that any different from Trump refusing top go on (say) CNN? Is that like a communist dictatorship too?
     
  14. Cooky

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    I don't know what "refusing top go" means. Can you rephrase that?
     
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    Interesting...
    Usenet - Wikipedia
     
  16. Quetzal

    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    This phrase is so funny it is almost worth putting in my signature.
     
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  17. The Hammer

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    People as a whole, are ignorant.
     
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    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    Not really a free-market in the US anymore.

    More like an oligarchy.

    A few corporations controlling large shares of the market.

    No problem when this type of authoritarian control works in your favor. However, times change. Can't always be certain the winds are going to blow in your favor.

    I'll admit, I like Amazon. Amazon gives me what I want, for now. Someday though we may find ourselves regretting giving one company that much control over our economy.
     
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    The quote was "Refuse to go on CNN" - ie he would only be interviewed by him tame channel Fox.
     
  20. Cooky

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    Or are they brilliant..? I think without politicians, we eliminate 'groupthink' ... Everyone becomes independent, and we can control the media too, by passing laws that force "requirements" for talk show hosts to be educated and fair... We the people can end partisanship altogether and move forward with modern technologies... If we dare...
     
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