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When someone is a monster, who is to blame?

74x12

Well-Known Member
I'm not damning anyone. I simply question your praise for the "ethics" of a time period most infamous for a world spanning war and both the most brutal tyrannies and the most horrific genocides in recorded human history.

Some people rescued Holocaust victims. Some people made the Holocaust happen. Many did nothing.
Tell me how that makes the 1940s more moral than our age.

Sure, if you completely ignore all the bad things that happened, and only ever look at people doing good things, and then compare it to the full gamut of today, good and bad, then the 1940s come out smelling like roses. But you have to acknowledge that you are deliberately constructing a lopsided comparison there.
But I think you are a damning a whole generation. They went through a lot and so they learned a lot. In a lot of ways they did things better than we do now. I think we could do well to try to learn some things from older generations instead just assuming we already know best.

It's just arrogance to assume you're smarter than the people in the past and that you won't make the same mistakes. People love to talk about how bad the Nazis were but does anyone consider the results of the infamous wave experiment of 1967? Maybe college kids today are already being indoctrinated into a kind of fascism and they don't know it.

In the context of this thread we are talking about pornography and other negative influences in media. That is one area they did better than we do now among many others.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
But I think you are a damning a whole generation. They went through a lot and so they learned a lot. In a lot of ways they did things better than we do now. I think we could do well to try to learn some things from older generations instead just assuming we already know best.
I am not damning anybody by refusing to shower them with uncritical, unreflected praise borne out of a fantasy version of history that has no connection to the actual lives they lived. My grandparents fought for the most reviled regimes in human history, how about that?

Maybe college kids today are already being indoctrinated into a kind of fascism and they don't know it.
College kids and adults alike are being indoctrinated into a kind of fascism, correct.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I am not damning anybody by refusing to shower them with uncritical, unreflected praise borne out of a fantasy version of history that has no connection to the actual lives they lived. My grandparents fought for the most reviled regimes in human history, how about that?
It's not uncritical nor unreflecting. It's simply to the point. I don't feel the need to make a detailed disclaimer describing all their sins before I compliment a generation of the past that deserves compliments for many, many valid reasons. I leave that field of criticism to indoctrinated liberals who give far more than necessary criticism in that regard.

So you're clearly better than your ancestors? You seem to think so. What regimes did they fight for then?
College kids and adults alike are being indoctrinated into a kind of fascism, correct.
Not who I meant actually; but that's also valid example.
 
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