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When did Jesus become Christ?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Pah, Jun 21, 2004.

  1. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    Let us assume that it was the event when Jesus became the Son of God.

    Romans 1:4

    Paul says that the God named his Son by the resurrection, that the man Jesus, descendent of David, whose father was a descendent of David, (off topic:: the immaculate conception negates the role of Joseph in siring a son, by the way, and the lineage itself is discordant in Matthew 1 and Luke 3).

    Matthew and Luke both fix the event at the conception by the Holy Spirit.

    Matthew 1:18-21
    Luke 1:26-35
    The Son of God was conceived by the Holy Spirit

    Mark 1
    Mark introduces the idea that the Baptism of Jesus was when God called Jesus his son

    John 1:1-2
    John says that Jesus was always the Christ

    It must be admitted that, taken altogether, these writings may not be mutually exclusive (off topic: except for the genealogy).The striking question is - why did Paul, Matthew, Luke and Mark ignore the thoughts of John and fixate on other events?
     
  2. chamberlain

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    What do you mean by " when did he become the christ?"?

    Jesus Christ is part of the trinity and therefore has always existed! There are many names and descriptions that have been given to Jesus but all of them are just words people attribute to him. None of them effect him in anyway they are just words to aid our limited understanding of his being.
    Anyway that aside i believe that as a being he has always been (as we call him) the Christ.

    Chamberlain :talk:
     
  3. Pah

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    One need only ask Muslims and the Watchtower Society regarding the Trinity to see that faith in the Trinity is derived from erronous interpretation. The fact is, the Trinity is a concept born of man and not among God's inspired Word.

    It would seem that the limited understanding of Christ/Jesus in shown in the varying accounts, inspired of God, for the begginings of Christ. Why did the three of the five apostles write, as God commanded, differing from the other two.
     
  4. chamberlain

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    Who would ask Muslims or the Watchtower Society for an answer on an important subject.
    Anyway Jesus has nothing to do with them and they are not authoritative sources on the trinity either.
    Both of these groups will say whatever they feel. When muslims took over countries they said you could have more wives (because there was more on offer).
    Anyway you wanted to talk about christ and you a branching on to debates about the nature of the trinity. Would you just like an argument wherever it is available.
    I i think its very bold to say that the people who lived along side Jesus and spent most all of there time listening to him teach in person had a limited understanding of him just because they couldn't accurately describe a concept that cant be put into words anyway.
    You seem to be attacking the Gospels all of a suddern if you dont believe them you will never find the answer to your original question.
    Differing times of noting Jesus as christ do not detract from the Gospels crediblilty anyway. They are accounts of Jesus and he himself claims to be God in all of the Gospels. Now thats straigt from the horses mouth.
     
  5. Pah

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    Becuase they has a answer as convincing as yours.


    Nor, it seems does the Bible

    Guess you haven't read the Old Testament lately More wives and concubines

    You brought it up as something that John would agree with "Jesus Christ is part of the trinity and therefore has always existed!" - from your first post in the thread.


    What I have said is the authors of the Bible written with God's inspiration. do not understand. Nothing to do with the following then or now. I focus on God's Word.


    I'm merely reading the Bible - I'm not looking for any personal answer. I thought maybe that someone would have one.

    I would like to see the verses that say Jesus says he is God. My recollection (and easily borne out by research in any good bible web site) is that Jesus sometimes makes claims about being the son of God. Now being a good reader and understanding a father/son relationship[ - the father is not the son and the son is not the father - that God is reached going through the son. Two steps here - two beings

    So can you tell me why those apostles would focus on different beginnings.
     
  6. dan

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    In all my days dealing with Catholics, there has been one scripture that I have never even been able to elcit a response from them about. They say God and Jesus are the same being (and yet, esoterically not). Well, in Christ's intercessory prayer He prays that we may all become one, even as He and His Father are one. I know Christ doesn't plan for us to all morph into one huge uber-being, so they must be "one" in another capacity; they can't possibly be one being. They are one in purpose, design, will and perfection, and that is it. We can all be joined in purpose if we have the Gospel inscribed in our hearts. No one has ever even responded to this question before, so what say you? If we can all become one even as Christ and the Father are one, how can they be one being?
     
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