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When Democrats became Socialist.

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Nowhere Man, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I'm not the only one saying it. It's noticeable since 1994 - 2017 to present where it is going even more extreme since Sanders and AOC .

    I'm in good company with people who have that view and opinion.

    What, Us Socialists? Democrats Try To Deny What Their Party Is Fast Becoming

    Pew Research Center Study Shows That Democrats Have Shifted To The Extreme Left | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

    (Pew findings included in bottom link)

    I'm not alone in this view and is my reason why I'm calling the Socialist Democrats out on it with extreme prejudice.

    I hope I can remove the Socialist identifier someday , but for now I can't anymore.
     
  2. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Crazy Diamond

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    "Extreme left!" LMFAO!!!!!!
    I'm very far Left and I'm not even extreme.
     
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  3. Quetzal

    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    I see your perspective and I understand where you are coming from. I am for addressing certain issues like healthcare and increasing funding in education, but going too far to the left can cause problems.
     
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    I wish it were true. Unfortunately, as the republicans rush head-long into a fascist plutocracy, the democrats have been dragged by their own fear and confusion into being more and more spineless moderates. They NEED to become far more socialist, and far more radical about it, just to pull us back toward some semblance of democracy. But so far they don't seem to have the will or the courage to break free from the pull of the big corporate bribery train.
     
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    They are not socialist enough imo.
     
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  6. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I'm not against everything that's regarded as Socialist. I'm for welfare, education within reason, healthcare, and social security. Just not at the expense of one preferred group over another. Aka robbing Peter to pay Paul.

    For me the incursion happens when governmental policies affect businesses choice and personal individual freedoms* restricting that which goes well beyond the line of reason in regards to safety and security that results in a dangerous level of control and power, pushing people into a pipeline creating forced dependency and subjugation to authority without any recourse on part of private individuals and private businesses.

    (Including what's considered the 'bad' ones like individual preference and habits. smoking, eating, purchases of private goods and services, choice of transportation Etc. )
     
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  7. Bob the Unbeliever

    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    Socialism? You mean like free roadways? Free police protection? Fire companies that show up to put out fires and **do**not** present a bill to the victim(s) of the flames?

    Military protection from invasive and malicious foreign agencies?

    Enforcement of Standards and Practices, so that modern manufacturing can exist?

    Modern Public Education? Modern universities that are subsidized, so that their costs are much lower than they would be otherwise?

    Keeping retired folk off the streets, by caring for them in their old ages?

    THAT SORT OF SOCIALISM?

    Or was there some other sort of .. .ahem... "socialism" that the world is unaware of, that the CONservatives harp on so very much-- but never manage to give examples of?
     
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  8. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Yes to socialism:

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  9. sooda

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    Sadly, too many people don't know what "socialist" means.
     
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  10. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I'm specifically addressing the increased control over people's lives. What they can say , what they can do, what they can choose, what they can buy.

    This also includes the proactive push to regulate businesses in day to day operations that go far beyond the clear parameters of safety and security.

    Bloated intrusive big government over lives and business.

    That kind of socialism.
     
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    Socialism - Wikipedia
     
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  12. Quetzal

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    Perfectly reasonable position, good post.
     
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  13. Father Heathen

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    But robbing Paul to pay Peter is fine; such as being gouged by the insurance racket with premiums and deductibles, causing people to either go into debt or forgo needed medical attention altogether, right?
     
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  14. Enoch07

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    This is why socialism is dangerous. You don't even understand it, yet you support it, because you think you will get something free from it.


    Nothing is free.
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    As it turns out, it requires a little socialism to keep capitalism viable.
     
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  16. Bob the Unbeliever

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    None of that-- NONE of what you just wrote about? Is actually socialism.

    Oooops!
     
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    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    You really have no clue-- do you?

    What's the difference between paid security guards, and police?

    The first is "police" under Capitalism-- the only "police" are those who can afford to HIRE them-- everyone else? Gets bullied or worse...

    The second is police under SOCIALISM.

    Question: What do you get under 100% UNREGULATED capitalism?

    MONOPOLIES. Every stinkin' time.
     
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  18. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Ok non-sensical response.

    Do you think the U.S is a unregulated capitalist country?

    I certainly am not promoting that we should be unregulated. So I'm not sure why you even brought it up other than to try and strawman me.

    You seem to think that we since we don't want socialism in our country that we shouldn't have any social programs? That is ridiculous. The great thing about classic liberal capitalism is that you can have the prosperity that capitalism brings, and the security of some social programs, without all the starvation,oppression, and eventual collapse a socialist/communist (cough Venezuala) government brings.
     
  19. It Aint Necessarily So

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    Then you support socialism.

    That's not socialism. Socialism is government collecting and spending tax dollars. You are still free to speak your mind and to buy whatever is for sale that you can afford.

    It is if you're not paying taxes. The poster that started this thread started one a few days ago lamenting about how many of the uberwealthy American corporations and individuals pay no taxes. Everything that government provides is free to them, just not you and me, assuming that we pay taxes. Mine don't go to American treasuries any longer, but I still pay taxes to another government, and receive services for them - a very satisfactory arrangement.
     
  20. Daemon Sophic

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    Actually, every country on every inhabited continent, everywhere on the planet, throughout the entire history of human civilization has resulted in unregulated capitalism, until our current set of socialist democracies have started to give it a go.

    ...and why are we trying?
    Because history shows that every stinkin’ time, in all of those unregulated capitalistic nations, two things have resulted without even one failure.

    1. Aristocrats,
    and 2. a serf/slave class.
     
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