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Featured When and where Baha'ullah took Bahaullah's Covenant?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. paarsurrey

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    When (the date/month/year) and where Baha'ullah took Bahaullah's Covenant?
    Or Bahaullah never took any covenant, please?

    Thread open to all religions and no-religions, please.
    Absolutely no restrictions to anybody, please.

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  2. shunyadragon

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    Baha'u'llah declared his Station as a Manifestation of God, Mission and Covenant in the Garden of Ridvan on April 29 the 9th Day of Ridvan to Abdu'l-Baha in the Days of Ridvan between sunset on April 21 and sunset on May 2 in 1863. He revealed the Tablet of the Ancient Mariner.

    Again . . . I am not sure your purpose here, because this information is obviously available on the internet.
     
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  3. TransmutingSoul

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    I see Baha'u'llah as the Messenger of God for this day, the 'Day of God', has the Destinction of being part of all the Covenants, the First and the Last.

    I also see that in His early years He followed and practiced the Covenant given by Muhammad, later He followed the Covenant given by the Bab and then He was the Covenant that he gave to humanity for this age.

    Baha'u'llah will also be part of all Gods Covenants to come.

    God will not forsake us.

    Regards Tony
     
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  4. paarsurrey

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    Please don't be angry. It is a simple question. I checked it on the internet but couldn't find it.
    Please read post #3 from our friend Tony Bristow-Stagg he also could not find it and did not mention it.
    Hello our friend Tony Bristow-Stagg!, is the information in post #2 above sufficient or you have to add something to it, please?
    Sorry, why there are two different dates/months (April 21,May 2), please?
    Was there a ceremony held to get accordance from the followers by Bahaullah.If, yes, please mention.
    I get the location/place however now from the internet:
    The Garden of Ridván (literally garden of paradise) or Najibiyyih Garden[1] was a wooded garden in what is now Baghdad's Rusafa District, on the banks of the Tigris river. It is notable as the location where Bahá'u'lláh, founder of the Bahá'í Faith, stayed for twelve days from April 21 to May 2, 1863.
    Garden of Ridván, Baghdad - Wikipedia

    We are in a friendly discussion for finding the truth in the matters, please?

    Regards
     
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    I read that in the Dawnbreakers last night. :D

    On the First day, April the 21st, Baha'u'llah and a few close disciples went across the river to the Garden of Ridvan and Baha'u'llah made them all aware of His Claim at that time, (Abdul'baha was one of those). The river flooded that day and it was not until the 9th day of Ridvan that the family and remaining friends were able to join them. Thus I guess that is when they were told.

    What is good to know is that there were quite a few who understood already who Baha'u'llah was, Abdul'baha knew as soon as Baha'u'llah came from the black pit prision. Other pure souls also knew about Baha'u'llah.

    The 12 days in the garden of Ridvan passed that Covenant on to all that were there.

    Regards Tony
     
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    You need to understand that the OP has been working his way on the forum through the religions of the world, asking questions, in a manner Uriah Heep would be proud of, ostensibly to gain knowledge of traditions not his own, but done in a condescending manner that is meant, in the end, to collect what evidence he believes will prove such other religions false and Islam true.

    Just ask the Christians, Jews, Hindus and others who have dealt with him. Right? Please?
     
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    Indeed it has been quite admirable, given language differences, amongst other things. But he comes from an Islamic sect with a long history of tolerance and love.
     
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  8. TransmutingSoul

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    When one reads, many things rub off. :)

    God knows our heart and intent and guides us accordingly.

    No matter the intent of any individual, we are all part of Gods plan and the Jews will find their God given promise fulfilled. It is a covernant after all. :)

    Regards Tony
     
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  9. paarsurrey

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    I didn't know of "Dawnbreakers" and checked on the internet for it as our friend @shunyadragon wants me to do, and I find:

    "Mullá Husayn, having acquitted himself of the obligation he felt to urge and awaken his fellow-disciples, set out from Karbilá for Najaf. With him were Muhammad-Hasan, his brother, and Muhammad-Báqir, his nephew, both of whom had accompanied him ever since his visit to his native town of Bushrúyih, in the province of Khurásán. Arriving at the Masjid-i-Kúfih, Mullá Husayn decided to spend forty days in that place, where he led a life of retirement and prayer. By his fasts and vigils he prepared himself for the holy adventure upon which he was soon to embark. In the exercise of these acts of worship, his brother alone was associated with him, while his nephew, who attended to their daily needs, observed the fasts, and in his hours of leisure joined them in their devotions.

    This cloistered calm with which they were surrounded was, after a few days, unexpectedly interrupted by the arrival of Mullá ‘Alíy-i-Bastamí, one of the foremost disciples of Siyyid Kázim. He, together with twelve other companions, arrived at the Masjid-i-Kúfih, where he found his fellow-disciple Mullá Husayn immersed in contemplation and prayer. Mullá ‘Alí was endowed with such vast learning, and was so deeply conversant with the teachings of Shaykh Ahmad, that many regarded him as even superior to Mullá Husayn. On several occasions he attempted to enquire from Mullá Husayn as to his destination after the termination of the period of his retirement. Every time he approached him, he found him so wrapt in his devotions that he felt it impossible to venture a question. He soon decided to retire, like him, for forty days from the society of men. All his companions followed his example with the exception of three who acted as their personal attendants.
    Bahá'í Reference Library - The Dawn-Breakers: Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation, Pages 47-97

    Quite interesting!
    Who is this Mullá Husayn, please? Is he a Muslim divine/clergy/priest, please?

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  10. shunyadragon

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    Not angry at all. I just now googled Declaration of Baha'u'llah and all the information was there in a number of references.

    Again , , , not angry at all. The problem of two dates is the Days of Ridvan are 12 days of Ridvan when the Babis gathered at the Garden of Ridvan The 1st, 9th, and 12th are the Holy Days, and the 8th day is when Baha'u'llah made his declaration public. The Days of Ridvan are commemorated as the beginning of the Baha'i Faith.

    We are not dealing with the issue of 'Truth.' We are dealing with the simple facts of the history of the Baha'i Faith.
     
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    . . . but not necessarily tolerance of the Baha'i Faith, particularly in Iran.
     
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    Mulla Husayn became the first Disciple just after those 40 days of prayer. On that first night the Bab called him the Bábu'l-Báb, Gate of the gate.

    This link gives His story;

    Mullá Husayn - Wikipedia

    Wait to you read about Quddus.

    Quddús - Wikipedia

    Regards Tony
     
  13. paarsurrey

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    Thanks for the kind words friend @RabbiO. I was reading Kitab-i-Iqan as advised to me by the Bahaullah's followers here. It will be nice of one if one also reads Iqan, there are points in it about the God-Head of Bahaullah etc, which one may like to attend to. A joint study of it may "reveal" many good points and enrich one's experience as a Rabbi. Done?,please.
    I was actually thinking about you some days ago, and here one is.

    Regards
     
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    It is very sad to know what happened with Bahaullah in Iran and other places.

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    . . .nor the fate of the Baha'is in Islamic countries.
     
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    When and where Baha'ullah took Bahaullah's Covenant?

    Friend @Tony Bristow-Stagg ! Thanks for liking my posts many times.

    Regards
     
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    Friend @paarsurrey. I see friendly genuine questions. Anyone taking the time to research questions as you have, does has Justice in their heart. I say may Allah bless yours and everybody's heart. After all who are we if we are not of Allah and do not then choose to submit to Allah?

    Regards Tony
     
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    They weren't already named Baha'u'llah and Abdul Baha were they? And, isn't it a title? So why the name Baha'u'llah? Where did all these names come from, even The Bab?
     
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    That is the true spirit of Islam. Thanks
    And thanks for more "like"s.

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    Moses remained Moses, Zoroaster remained Zoroaster, Krishna remained Krishna, Jesus remained Jesus and Muhammad remained Muhammad. So, it is pertinent question to be asked about Bab and Bahaullah. And of course Bahaullah's followers are fond of quoting examples from other religion in defense of Bahaullah. It could amount to Bahaullah negating Bahaullah's claims of being Sun who is illuminous on its own and does not need light from other sky objects. And Moon he cannot be as he himself denied to continue getting light from Muhammad. Perhaps he (Bahaullah) was earthly, only. Sorry, to state, but that is the case as far as I see from the angle of Iqan. Putting a God-head hat is too loose to fit on a human being born of a woman and facing death like a helpless soul.
    Sorry, I have no intention to hurt anybody's feeling. Bahaullah has died and his fate lies with the Merciful G-d. I find no hatred about him in my heart. I can neither elevate him nor do otherwise. Unless I tell others about how I think, how could others tell me what they think. The decision lies with me for myself and with them for themselves.
    Sorry again to my friends here.

    Regards
     
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