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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Seeker of White Light, Sep 23, 2022 at 4:51 AM.

  1. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Be who ever you want

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    Often one can hear that people critique religion because "the religion force it's law upon others"

    But honestly, doesn't the religious law's or guidelines only apply for those who follow said religion?

    Are we doing wrong when trying to apply the law of the religion upon people from different religions or especially upon atheists?
     
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  2. Sheldon

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    Have you never heard of a theocracy? Here are 3 contemporary examples then, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Vatican.

    Nor do religions and religious adherents always content themselves to just following their own beliefs, the US for example has long struggled to maintain their constitutional separation of church and state, under constant effort by theists to subvert this.
     
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  3. stvdv

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    Very true

    Sadly, even after thousands of years, those people still don't get the hint
     
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    Even more precise...Masters like Jesus also give/gave personal advice, just for that specific person

    Easy to see, that, to generalize His Words to all, will no doubt lead to big mistakes

    Imagine if doctors apply 1 cure to all patients...what a disaster that would be

    This alone proves how wrong it is to not pay attention to the fact that certain verses were meant for just a few present there at the moment
     
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  5. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Be who ever you want

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    The question is, should not religious people not push their rules on others. Yes it already happen, but is it a good practice?
     
  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Take a look at how religion is forcing changes in the law on all American people.

    Theocracies across the world force religious laws on non believers to the extent of accept or die

    It would be fine if religious folk didn't attempt to force religious laws on other people. I am afraid that isn't the case though. In the last week I have had 3 different religious people telling me that i should abide by their gods laws. Even to the extent of bastardizing recognised definitions of some words so they agree with their demands
     
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    People who impose their Religion to believers of other Faith or Atheists, commit a major blunder, thereby creating lots of karma (karma here just means "all actions done by a person creates a reaction").

    Not a coincidence that in certain countries many Christians are killed. That's clearly karma called upon by themself by committing this "wrong" action

    Hence the advice "Teach by example". So much safer, and usually much more effective even (I don't imply here that there is a need to change for anyone, but if you see a humble person do only good, that has much more impact than an hautain person talk smooth to get followers)

    No need to teach by word in most cases
     
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  8. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    "Clearly karma"?

    How wonderful it must be to find oneself armed with a clarity that enables you to casually blame the victim with such haughty certainty.
     
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    Seeker of White Light Be who ever you want

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    Karma is a part of @stvdv belief, Just because you don`t believe it to be true, that does not mean karma isn`t real. The masters who explained karma first may have understood way more than people who live to day
     
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    Seeing your name, I expected such a reply of you, totally twisting my words AND misrepresenting what I wrote. Getting used to you doing this...your arrogance, not mine, without first checking
     
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    Thank you @Seeker of White Light

    @Jayhawker Soule is totally wrong here, and twisting my words etc.

    The karma I was referring to was about cases in the news about China ca. 1 year ago

    The Chinese government tells all people in China to NOT evangelize. Then it happened that a few people from Chinese went abroad, and starting to evangelize about the Bible and Jesus. They ended up in jail, because of that. And the leader of China (Xi) said in the news "this is their own mistake, china is not going to help them, because they know very well, that the Law in China is to not evangelize, and they should have not done this"

    So, this was clearly karma, as in "your actions do have consequences", no more no less
     
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  12. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Be who ever you want

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    Yes, China has a zero tollerance for preaching, due to the atheistic government who are the communists in this case.
    Mostly all religions are illigal in China now.
     
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    Humans want more than anything else to be in control of their own destiny. In their quest to achieve that end, they too often try to control everything and everyone around them by imposing their own views and desires on them. Religions try to overcome this fear-driven desire for control by offering people the option of placing their faith in God, and trusting that God will watch out for them. But the fear persists, and many religious people try to control God by placating their idea of God, and by making others do the same. (Like throwing virgins into the volcano to avert the fire god's wrath.) So, although religion does help some people to trust in fate (God) it gives others an excuse to push for even more and more absurd degrees of control.
     
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  14. Hermit Philosopher

    Hermit Philosopher Selflessly here for you

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    Yes, it is wrong -fruitless or destructive- to attempt to apply/enforce “laws” from one’s own faith (or country) onto ppl with other beliefs (or in a different country, with different laws).

    But if you refer to internally “judging” other’s actions by our own views; I’d say that while judgement of another in general, in my own faith is not right -as in it not being one’s business- it’s also pretty hard never to assess another’s actions. It’s a human weakness, perhaps…

    Humbly,
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Someone once illuminated this problem to me.
    She said that her religion (Christianity) isn't a
    religion at all...it's "reality".
     
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  16. Jayhawker Soule

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    And where have I claimed the "karma isn't real"?

    For the record, I really hate when people fabricate my beliefs, irrespective of whether they do so maliciously or thoughtlessly. Try to understand that there is a marked difference between saying that karma isn't real and condemning that it is responsible for the murder of Christians (or Jews, or Muslims, or ...). And how shall we explain the victims of Sandy Hook, or rape, or ... ?
     
  17. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Be who ever you want

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    I trying to live up to exactly that :oops: to not let my personal belief be a way to "tell other they are wrong"
     
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    Church and state have always been joined. Religion is used to control, to maintain power. Humans are herd animals, most follow leaders. So strange, the many different beliefs so fervently held - believing emperor is half God - really believing it...
     
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  19. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Be who ever you want

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    My response to you was only to say, everyone here has their understanding of what they experiences as true to them, your response could be seen as negative toward @stvdv that was only explaining a belief in karma
     
  20. Jayhawker Soule

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    Really?


    Where?
     
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