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What's your relation to the Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad?

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
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(Picture: Our classical understanding of religion *Credit to Europa Universalis 4*. Muslims in Green would not marry any Christians seen top. Less strict obviously, it is written Reformed do not marry Catholic. Protestants Tend to marry protestants which isn't my expertise, usually the Lutherans of Germany related to the Anglicans of England. Brown Orthodox in bottom right is Occupied by Ottoman Empire. The Map Highlights a full extent fictitious scenario mostly in favor of the Reformed Religions. The countries of Reformed get their own names, such as Presbyterian Scotland, Puritan England, Huguenot France, Reformed Hungary, Reformed Dutch, Reformed Switzerland, related movements. Dwight D Eisenhower is pictured with redacted speech. He is representing the very thorough Nationalistic censorship of general education)
I'm reorganizing my very first post on the thread, ever, while I try to stay Focused with my time on the thread. I'm re-reading and shifting my introduction thread around. Its dealing with the seemingly Mundane activity of the morality of the Presbyterians from Korea. We will effortlessly and haphazardly be involved without Any sort of discrimination besides professional ethics, utility, and will work with those from a Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad. The Koreans are Not the ones shifted from international Presbyterianism by anyone's ability to discern.

1. Background on the Reformed->Presbyterian->Geographical Church Establishments
2. French Liacite Differentiation from Free Governance of Religion
3. Miscellaneous



1. Background on the Reformed->Presbyterian->Geographical Church Establishments
Has anyone paused to wonder how it is the Church does something so Temporal as to dissolve and create a new version? How is it that the PC(USA) (Parentheses for special *circumstances*) can come from a predecessor body, meaning a deceased body, into a new Body, which is to make anathema of the old and a clean break with the new. That's what is happening in the 80's formation of PCUSA. But how did That start?! With Eisenhower!

Eisenhower proclaimed in summary of the events of World War 2 and the Korean War recently transpired, the Democratic Civilization in which we live to hinge on belief in God, and Whatever One it Was. He was pointedly chosen to Lead America with Presbyterianism, a new Leadership in America of Presbyterianism. He has no Scholarly history with this. He chose or heard of it apparently his 3rd day in office, and this is just so Openly politics. This is openly about the Civil War, Politics, his Traditional Northern Republican base.

This is true because the Puritans formed the first colonies and are in the blood of most people here and form 40% genetics of Americans. The Covenanters then of Scotland with the Bonnie Blue Flag come to the cross-border aid of the Puritans in the English Civil War.

This man helped in World War 2 the Racist division of Korea between two powers that only share White Blood. The Soviets and the Americans decided without the slightest appeal to Korean self-rule to divide a country as join imperialists. This is a huge theme of religion today. How are we able to claim that ability against auld lang syne? This man didn't grant acknowledgment or any retro acknowledgment of the Provisional Government of Korea in 1910. The American Occupation ignores this claim. Korea today with 9 million Presbyterians would be the Largest Concern of Presbyterianism Faith in the entire world. It would hold half of the Faithful.

This was not always true. In 1910 the United States held 9 million or sometimes 7 million Presbyterians In one Body, similarly, in 1950 or other times in America, such as the third of signers of the Declaration of Independence, or the Reformed Family that took on the Puritans. The Organization of Presbyterianism was totally Clear. This was Clear in the preeminent scholar of Presbyterianism of Woodrow Wilson. Presbyterianism is the association of Nations , to use religious terminology, in the League of Nations in a Solemn League and Covenant, such as the swearing Covenant of 1648 of the English Civil War. This was the Confederate political position at the highest level with Jefferson Davis down and in all matters during the Civil War, that the Union was such a disturber of the peace that Oliver Cromwell intervened with a War of Three Kingdoms which toppled the tyrannical Catholic Government. The League of Nations which the Koreans were withheld from militarily by the Japanese Government, is a Direct transposition of the Confederate Cause. The Koreans worked feverishly to show a worldwide Christian peace movement and world peace movement acknowledgment of Korea.

This however today is not such a national security concern for Americans, to totally null, void, replace, antiquate, and oppose and lie about Every Single historical moral principle to Presbyterianism for us to observe. This concerns American Politics in Korea from the beginning, Period! Princeton on which Yonsei University in Korea is modeled, is now totally overhauled. "Under God's Power She Flourishes" is a motto near "God Save the Queen". To "Old Nassau" respects the William of Orange Dutch Netherlands who rescued the English Civil War in support of the Reformed. This is identical ideology to the 1st Moderator of the Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad, Horace Underwood.

When Horace Underwood wished to welcome to a League of Associating Nations, particular with the United States, to King Gojong and the Yongban and the Korean People, through the first ever copies and dissemination of the Bible, a system of Presbyters or Elders, and a respect for earthly administrations which God appoints, in a Parish system of Boundaries to every Church like might be seen in the Orthodox world, with Auld Lang Syne, and God Save the Queen from Presbyterian's 300 year isolation in Scotland, the things PCUSA are saying would not be possible. Horace Underwood is a definitive first-ruling on the Church in league with everything that would have existed in Presbyterianism.

Horace Underwood led to training in Christian Faith Ahn Chang Ho, who may have written the Aegukga National Anthem, responsible as the first of Korean Americans, and a prolific author under the pen "Dosan". The Presbyterians always urged American support of recognition of Korean Nationality. Most importantly, there is a Theological Law in play, when the Covenanters broke the Union, in Medieval terminology a Personal Union is any ruler over the several states, which was legitimized by a Religious war-making force, alone to break the Union for Reformed Religion. Reformed Presbyterians recognize the Sam-il claim and the Provisional Government. Koreans have handfuls of books on the illegitimacy of any forced treaties by Japan placed in the hands of the Korean Emperor for instance.

Our trouble being again, how America has moved to make the "rebels" NOT AMERICANS, in no way, could the Confederate have been an ordinary American pushed into one end or other of current American Politics, in which the United States Chain of Command was divided in to two forces of Patriotic Dutiful Americans, who did Nothing to harm their homeland and its people. What have we lost today? Hail Columbia, the true national anthem, the Puritan Reformed Heritage of the God of Our Fathers, whom is written the 1900 My Country Tis of Thee, whom Woodrow Wilson compared the Hail Columbia knock off "Bonnie Blue Flag".

So today think of how we are lost with no knowledge and cover ups concerning Presbyterianism for Nationalistic reasons and how the truth of the matter will be obscured concerning wherever and whomever you work responsibly for in a Presbyterian setting, considering there is no Freedom from Moral principles in these United States unlike a French Liacite principle.
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
2. French Liacite Differentiation from Free Governance of Religion

Thanks for the welcome. Anyone from the United States in Public Education I assume would learn of the difficulty on the marriage issue with King Henry, the Protestant Anne Boleyne being his 2nd wife or his 1st legitimate wife depending on a Catholic or Protestant perspective, and also the daughter Elizabeth from that line. Most people will know about the Spanish Armada, about aiding Reformed Calvinism's development in Scotland and Netherlands without a greed for these Kingdoms, which may have led to the Pope's only Papal bull excommunication of a ruler of Queen Elizabeth, then only Protestants will have ever recognized the Rule of Queen Elizabeth specifically. Most people are not educated there in genera education. Most people generally realize that States in America have their own heritage as English Calvinist Westminster Confession Subscribers with the Puritans who were aided in the English Civil War Covenanters, and then migrated to Virginia named after Elizabeth.

As for why the Bridge Anglican church developed not to call it invalid, but obviously this remained in England as a development from King Henry and a compromise for Queen Elizabeth. Queen Elizabeth's reign is associated at the onset and today in the prominence of British Protestantism.

The Article GENERALLY, President Eisenhower has disguised and changed what we should KNOW about British Protestantism in America while the church of Scotland struggles with this change. The 60's saw the uniting church in Canada and United church Australia Erasing the Presbyterian name, obscuring the Scottish word "Bonnie", the Blue-Light Elder, Stonewall Jackson, the Covenanter Three Kingdom period of Jefferson Davis, don't forget Korean League of Nations stuff too.

-Disclaimer-
Plenty of people would agree with the Presbyterians pushing Eisenhower's "in God We Trust" motto. Or making a religious oath and covenant with pledge of allegiance "Under God" in addition. I'm done hitting my head over those. The Statue of Liberty this era of American Religiosity against Communism, as Eisenhower would call it, didn't exist yet. The problem with the Religion addressing the changing nature of America, including a changed identification with our States, is a Minor consideration! The Mexican National Presbyterian Church excommunicates this Thing we have in America, the Church of Scotland has to change with it. The PC(USA) would only recognize a bottom-up push of organization. They only recognize the formation of Churches that are choosing to associate. The Scottish Parliament ratified the new Reformed religion of 1560. Woodrow Wilson's thesis was on moving congress toward a Parliament model and how that fuses with the Executive.

In fact, the Phrase Mainstream Protestantism seems to conceal the absolute obscurity in history we would be having about Methodists, Baptists, and so forth, who show Any minority recognizable size during the US Civil War for their push for evangelism and education with the poor first harbored in UK harbors and dockyards. The Baptists for instance share this Union mindset specific to America of the Church Never having a relation, or say, in government, its all very specific to America. While Hitler thinks his Austrian Catholic Church will rebuild the Roman Empire, over and over, its all very specific to America.
The actual Worldwide historical churches, Reformed, Protestant, Orthodox , or Catholic, thanks to my Screenshot from Europa Universalis, have Many Many wars specifically on the maintenance of religion. President Eisenhower is somehow named a Presbyterian when he is at liberty to "join a church that needs to stand for liberty and that all men are created Equal". The National power changed a church by joining it. By making National Religious messages.
Eisenhower was a commander during the Korean War and World War 2, and wrote the D-Day invasion message for Allied forces the "Crusade of Liberty". He'd be elected on these things. He doesn't have any history written anywhere concerning Presbyterianism except in office literally. He was accused of breaking rules running on Religion some.

The Importance of Napoleonic Laicite is somewhat the Civil War, some part current events, most part my experience with the problem in the minds of Administrators in our public education. France decided that in all Public exercise, discussion, and power, Religion had no part. This is a compromise from "Republican Marriage" things like that. Napoleon purposefully upset the power, history, and heritage of Europe in his invasions from Spain to Russia. The Confederates named Mclellan little Napoleon, and afterwards many things are in regards to the UK's fight with Napoleon and Napoleon's invasion of the States. France stands my "equality, fraternity, liberty" in English. This broke from all religious hegemony. See my problem with school administration, is that students Responsibly and Fothrightly make the University Recommendation of Studying in Groups will increase Grades. The University has no place in deciding a philosophical moral outlook of students they recommend study in public and forthright view with open membership. Koreans will have led the class-founded Study sessions open to everyone, in which to everyone Presbyterianism is recommended. This is an Establishmentarian Presbyterian Studygroup in best practices and adherence with the university. University administrators said "I don't want to talk about the bible", "don't push your religion on Asians", and "don't evangelize to professors", when none of these take place, and more than the propensity State universities have in denying access to Christian students, is that they don't recognize this country's relation to a Publicly administratively practicable religion. We aren't having debates about denying all crosses, and Muslim specific dress in the French school system, like the Liberty of professed religion will tear apart everything.

And! What else do Koreans universally like to do?! Proclaim Cultural Diversity! While Confederates are on the side of a Cultural Diversity. You may have Lucy Liu Cultural American carbon copies for New York. The Confederacy is on the side of Cultural Diversity in that instance! Pople remember Alabama because they over 100 years Promote Alabama and its Capitol in the Confederacy. The Establisment of Presbyterianism in the new Constitution, was Almighty God in the Sovereign Character of the States. Alabama as far as anyone can tell was the only coherent non-protesting voice, cordially in favor of hosting the relation of the slave-states at the start of the war (so-called). They promote today where Jefferson Davis' oath was taken at the Capitol. They actively promote "Heart of Dixie" today. They promote the State as a relater between States, where they all met to write the Confederate position, where the Bonnie Blue Flag was Written in the Constitution convention, which also wrote the Alabama state Constitution historical, where Presbyterianism Establishmentarianism is evident 100s years later in Alabama government. That's where and Why on MLK Jr's march took place. General Citizens and their public educational resources with plaques commemorating Governor George Wallace are put in a wrenching bind, a horrible Bind in the whole societal situation!

Thanks Laika. Everybody. My avatar's going to go with the National Scottish Napoleonic War monument. In Edinburgh Scotland, the Athens of the North! What a thing, all Presbyterianism. What a Thing. When's the first time they used the word Presbyterianism, anyway? It is high-brow enough to go crazy. I reviewed renewed Greek education to find Presbyter means Elder instead of Bishop, and now they got Greek Synods, Greek Ecuminicos, and Greek Presbyters, a literal lower clergy class in Greek.

Nothing's settled about Reagan's MLK Jr. Day and the Robert E Lee birthday counterholidays and all that stuff when its just since the 80's people need to pay attention in the present day about what we all presently mean about these things.

How were Southern States going to celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. when he sang every Union war song. Maybe the "Alabama is full of vicious racists" and it got better. I personally see a direct tie between Auld Lang Syne, its centrality to Presbyterianism, the Establishment of Presbyterian Church just in Scotland, the ancient heritage only shared by Scots to Scots in the ancient words Auld Lang Syne, the segregation laws mimic Orthodox Parishes as there's a 2000 year old Armenian Orthodox Church in Georgia, while (Anatolian) Georgia has its own Orthodox Church. Anti-Miscegany would be so entirely common even in the United Kingdom that no legal cross-border marriages took place in 1600 Scotland-England. More so, the Westminster Confession does directly demand marriage between two Reformed peoples , man and woman. Westminster Confession is now freely changed in America.



Ya well to return to the Civil War you can see very simply if you actually open up the Biblical 10 Commandments, not the pretty ones the Pope handed you, do not covet another man's wife, Manservant, servant, etc etc, donkey, we Know that this was the Confederate claim. We're definitely not Biblical because it played a part in the Civil War. The Coveting "adventurers" from the North from any and every Nation Woodrow Wilson would have said with no good in mind for either race. If you shal not Covet a servant and this is the word "servant" practice through out the Confederacy, no other. None other at all like "slavery". The Curse of Ham made one brother a servant of another. The servant of a man is heard 9 times to 1 'slave'.

Oh the PCUSA has stuff on that I hate with a dripping hatred. Some video about branches and branches and branches of Presbyterianism, whatever leads you to believe in a nearly humanistic self-dermination, anti-Providence, against Establishmentarianism, against Universal (Catholic) body of Believers. The Presbyterian Church split for every denomination was totally different in the Civil War. Consider the Baptists started saying Slavemasters could not lead Congregations while General Stonewall Jackson will always be famously remembers, and noted, in a lot of media, as the General-Pastor-Elder-Clergyman. His battalions were all assigned a pastor and held a religious Army and the 1st Brigade, until he was promoted to General. The Presbyterians in Michigan said they did not 'tell anyone to dance or own slaves', so where is this Regional Divide, that didn't exist, and most famous Presbyterians famous in Africa were Pastors to slaves in Africa formally. The division of Presbyterianism then was when the North told the South to obey the Northern Government. That's a very simple split when they didn't. I've read a lot of books on Presbyterianism that will be no help to anybody at all, stuffy, and dry. Rule Britannia planted the people that lived in the british isles as Placed by a God's Providence that foresees all events in Calvinistic Predestination, which developed laws concerning who Would be slaves, a much better starting place, plus, America's Hail Columbia is in the Form of Rule Britannia as a concert hall Capello sort of piece. George Washington conservatism played a very high role in Confederate claims, most Presidents being from Virginian stock, check out the Apotheosis of Washington, the ceiling of our capitol is a reconciling message to the Happy land the District of Columbia in the gentle care of the Gentleman George Washington.
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member

Well I'll tell you how I feel they are Not like some other congregation. Cynthia Bolbach made Amendment 10-A when I first looked into it to recognize a 'committed relationship of two individuals' as marriage against a 2000 year old institution of a marriage founded by Jesus. How this is Not any other organization is that the Pope could say that and I could be a Catholic. Why doesn't he? I don't know. That'd be fun. The Reason that Presbyterianism is a Democratic Movement involving a Synod or Meeting of many voices in the Church and even the Biblical Alone , Grace Alone viewpoint, is that all these helping hands interpret the Ruling on High not by Man but by God. How Comical! I can't even look at history! We have an assembly of technicians in the Word of God over the word of Man, that forget when Jesus Christ in every Gospel commanded 'so it was in the beginning with Adam and Eve so it should be now that a man joins with a woman and leaves his household, and never shall they part', 'all but those practicing to be as Eunuchs shall receive that word. There I am one man 'with God" that shall be the Majority as John Knox would have said. This is a broken body in historical context. I don't place that Shame on say an Anglican or other traditions.

Everyone is aware of the Liberal-Fundamentalist Controversy in 1920's, Presbyterian history is the history of America. What happened in 1910? Reconstruction was over, the domination of Republican Presidents and Republican governors through the South. The Confederate monuments were dotting the map. Woodrow Wilson screened "Birth of a Nation" in the Whitehouse. It claimed Stonewall Jackson's battleflag, made official simply for the Widow of the Confederacy, Anna Jackson, and Julia Jackson you'll note with a Scottish version Saltire curiously. Heritage-wise. The newspapers, all the people ran out in the streets wailing according to one author the loss of this Brightest Star just like they ran housewives into the streets with kitchen knives to volunteer, so said one author. That's why they had the official Confederate 2nd "Stainless Banner", why's it the Stainless Banner tho, that's because the Birth of a Nation caption claimed "this Fiery Cross from the ancient hills of Scotland of an unconquered Civilization, stained with the most priceless blood across the sands of Time , of a Southern Woman" or paraphrasing, so you got the first movie fanclub some patriotic KKK organization and their fiery crosses mimicking the Worst Part of Griffith's historical inaccuracies, the KKK. A should be Minor sidenote of history, not millions.


3. Miscellaneous
If we took this conversation of Presbyterianism back to Woodrow Wilson then obviously the Ulster-Scots claim is that the migrating Puritan states in Westminster Confessional Reformed religion to side in Confederate Relations with Scotland, and their own Union, their Union Jack, on religious terms. Sensible discussion!

I've had to resort to Woodrow Wilson as a historical figure out of necessity, the end of Republican Domination, the scandal about letting immigrant women burn alive in horrible conditions with "jobs", the triangle shirtwaist factory fire, a Second Washington, a Dangerous Southern Democrat Woodrow Wilson self-style running
remember that Korea was a part of. The entire situation of Asia including the historical situation of nameless housebound women might conjure images of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I always love to pair the Mission to Rite of Spring, it says so many things of the situation there when Stravinsky wished to retain the order he was part of a Christian order of Russia and his ballet before Communism and what that means to a very Religious man who then wrote Hymns for the Boston philharmonic in the 60's. Horace Underwood did not concern himself with the Romanist (roman Catholic) barbarisms, it seemed, that poor rogue priests tried to overthrow government one way or another, Horace Underwood noted, trying to gain peasants to do their biddings. Horrible situation. He didn't make rulings about their ancestral traditions, he went to Christians homes and the first good Christians for them to bring out their wives to meet them, which was difficult work, he compared in difficulty to india where meeting females and group heathcare was impossible. We have photos of him with these women out in boatrides and generally distancing the Marriage from service. He tried to formalize Queen Myeunseong in that Western Tradition with his ceremony with his own wife he met on mission and an exchange of wedding gifts. That also made horrible in Asia because the Japanese slaughtered and burned the corpse of Queen Myeonseong in about 10 years!

I love the book "Call of Korea" and its prelude explanation of many Calvinist ideologies, that Korea could open all Asia as did all Europe was opened to Faith by the Call of Macedon, similarly, or as it had Already happened, King Gojong had invited the missionaries as long as this was supporting the situation of the State, not so with the Catholics on both points.
Sure, of course. My first sentence is I have No history in Presbyterianism before it was the Moral supervisory doctrine and discipline of officially accredited studies in the Public University system of Alabama with 60% state funding, with $4000 a semester state lowered tuition, with a Government flag that is the Flag of Ulster-Scotland, chosen at a time they wrote a 1900 constitution with John B Knox, that denies any religious favoritism or establishmentarianism, in internationalist universities, but they don't got the international professors ever judge this they get Yankees purely, purely Yankee professors that know to say Nothing and stare you in the face intimidatingly. I have no history with this and their Stand in the SchoolHouse Door and thinking that I am hindering or Will hinder Other Asian students Because they have accredited Foreign Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad, Daughter of Tonghap Presbyterian Church of Korea Church groups, accredited for full 10 point letter grades with their school system for Every single degree course, for 30 points of the entire cumulative gradescale, that then my undoubted association respectively with their schoolbody , is almost illegaly put in bold lettering 'they do not accept people of religion forcing religion', suggesting university system wide preference for no religion, their office of General Counsel doesn't do anything about anyway.

It seems like all anyone does off of the anti-miscegenation laws page wiki and the segregation page wiki and that Alabama led the entire Sotuhern United States in the 60's against Federal invasion, is grin and like it too, that is Not Possible For The Average Alabamian! Its not a stretching possibility! They recruit these professors for their summer vacations to Alabama from all over the place! They will insult me beyond words to suggest that totally under-the-table occurrences happen at their university between white students and maybe 10 year older supervisory Asian women students, her closest associates would al be 10 years older so lets say 10 years older Asian students generalized to mean a Racist and unapproachable demeanor of some sort with the Only student signing up and cooperating with their Only publicly available workshops.

On another part, Yes, Presbyterianism does turn out to be the history of America. Most Theologians in Presbyterianism tend to take this recruiting strategy, anyway. It pre-exists the United States in a powerful position. a third or more of US Independence signers are Presbyterians. Its one of two religions from the British isles. There was a Certain heritage to American that has gone into a transition, being about ideals, association, that's not a Hostile thing at all, as late to how many Presidents in History the Woodrow Wilson family is related to, a dozen. Yonsei University in Korea is purposefully modeled after Princeton University , who presented a portrait of George Washington, where the Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad clearly looks up to and names the older body and their entire history obviously. The Korea theologian tends to focus on Puritans, the Thanksgiving and the Korean Thanksgiving and those ecumenical studies. The Scotsman could come to the aid of southern states of Puritan heritage like happened in the English Civil War and the Scottish Covenanter, that is the ENTIRE MESSAGE of the Confederates. Every single piece of their propaganda will Explore a piece of this. Most notice then a very religious conservative Presbyterian 'who hardly writes' fires upon the Scottish arm of the British Empire, 'they won't rest a day on this soil'. The British Empire is very Far Away from the religious heart of their own religions, especially in this timeperiod. Especialy. THeir most famous missionary is Dr. Livingstone. Livingstone, I Presume. He could be plastered across a Union Jack, he recruited 1 chieftan and left, who unconverted. Many in Africa today claim descent from it. Proeprly dressed to name Victoria Falls and wear a saber and trample some native populations, for the missionaries come after them ,and quote the Westminster confession, the Bible should be in al vulgar and native tongue, which can't be used, they're ina british empire.

I have a very simple example again, on this. I Do think its important. Our system has gone lax. there are no examples in movies, its not in people's brains. We have religious schools in America in place of public school. Andrew Jackson could Lead the country as a Reformed Man, 'by the lights of the Reformed Governance" and perhaps his guide to governance is Presbyterianism. That's not Mitt Romney trying to deny all thought-control in Mormonism. In France, there are no legal public displays and controls of religion in your daily life, which mostly comes up because they call a woman's headcovering scarf as religious symbolism and invasion of private matters into public matters. Mostly, the French Revolution happened over 30 years after the American one. Most Americans will not realize that not a single Other Nation on the Planet would accept as valid a Non-Christian Government. Not a single other existing Non-Kingdom. We have to understand US support for the French Republican and "Radical Republicanism" and the "single star" and historical American issues, no Other Place Was Not the Owned Proeprty of Kings, therefore a Republic.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Well I'll tell you how I feel they are Not like some other congregation. Cynthia Bolbach made Amendment 10-A when I first looked into it to recognize a 'committed relationship of two individuals' as marriage against a 2000 year old institution of a marriage founded by Jesus. How this is Not any other organization is that the Pope could say that and I could be a Catholic. Why doesn't he? I don't know. That'd be fun. The Reason that Presbyterianism is a Democratic Movement involving a Synod or Meeting of many voices in the Church and even the Biblical Alone , Grace Alone viewpoint, is that all these helping hands interpret the Ruling on High not by Man but by God. How Comical! I can't even look at history! We have an assembly of technicians in the Word of God over the word of Man, that forget when Jesus Christ in every Gospel commanded 'so it was in the beginning with Adam and Eve so it should be now that a man joins with a woman and leaves his household, and never shall they part', 'all but those practicing to be as Eunuchs shall receive that word. There I am one man 'with God" that shall be the Majority as John Knox would have said. This is a broken body in historical context. I don't place that Shame on say an Anglican or other traditions.

Everyone is aware of the Liberal-Fundamentalist Controversy in 1920's, Presbyterian history is the history of America. What happened in 1910? Reconstruction was over, the domination of Republican Presidents and Republican governors through the South. The Confederate monuments were dotting the map. Woodrow Wilson screened "Birth of a Nation" in the Whitehouse. It claimed Stonewall Jackson's battleflag, made official simply for the Widow of the Confederacy, Anna Jackson, and Julia Jackson you'll note with a Scottish version Saltire curiously. Heritage-wise. The newspapers, all the people ran out in the streets wailing according to one author the loss of this Brightest Star just like they ran housewives into the streets with kitchen knives to volunteer, so said one author. That's why they had the official Confederate 2nd "Stainless Banner", why's it the Stainless Banner tho, that's because the Birth of a Nation caption claimed "this Fiery Cross from the ancient hills of Scotland of an unconquered Civilization, stained with the most priceless blood across the sands of Time , of a Southern Woman" or paraphrasing, so you got the first movie fanclub some patriotic KKK organization and their fiery crosses mimicking the Worst Part of Griffith's historical inaccuracies, the KKK. A should be Minor sidenote of history, not millions.


3. Miscellaneous
If we took this conversation of Presbyterianism back to Woodrow Wilson then obviously the Ulster-Scots claim is that the migrating Puritan states in Westminster Confessional Reformed religion to side in Confederate Relations with Scotland, and their own Union, their Union Jack, on religious terms. Sensible discussion!

I've had to resort to Woodrow Wilson as a historical figure out of necessity, the end of Republican Domination, the scandal about letting immigrant women burn alive in horrible conditions with "jobs", the triangle shirtwaist factory fire, a Second Washington, a Dangerous Southern Democrat Woodrow Wilson self-style running
remember that Korea was a part of. The entire situation of Asia including the historical situation of nameless housebound women might conjure images of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I always love to pair the Mission to Rite of Spring, it says so many things of the situation there when Stravinsky wished to retain the order he was part of a Christian order of Russia and his ballet before Communism and what that means to a very Religious man who then wrote Hymns for the Boston philharmonic in the 60's. Horace Underwood did not concern himself with the Romanist (roman Catholic) barbarisms, it seemed, that poor rogue priests tried to overthrow government one way or another, Horace Underwood noted, trying to gain peasants to do their biddings. Horrible situation. He didn't make rulings about their ancestral traditions, he went to Christians homes and the first good Christians for them to bring out their wives to meet them, which was difficult work, he compared in difficulty to india where meeting females and group heathcare was impossible. We have photos of him with these women out in boatrides and generally distancing the Marriage from service. He tried to formalize Queen Myeunseong in that Western Tradition with his ceremony with his own wife he met on mission and an exchange of wedding gifts. That also made horrible in Asia because the Japanese slaughtered and burned the corpse of Queen Myeonseong in about 10 years!

I love the book "Call of Korea" and its prelude explanation of many Calvinist ideologies, that Korea could open all Asia as did all Europe was opened to Faith by the Call of Macedon, similarly, or as it had Already happened, King Gojong had invited the missionaries as long as this was supporting the situation of the State, not so with the Catholics on both points.
Sure, of course. My first sentence is I have No history in Presbyterianism before it was the Moral supervisory doctrine and discipline of officially accredited studies in the Public University system of Alabama with 60% state funding, with $4000 a semester state lowered tuition, with a Government flag that is the Flag of Ulster-Scotland, chosen at a time they wrote a 1900 constitution with John B Knox, that denies any religious favoritism or establishmentarianism, in internationalist universities, but they don't got the international professors ever judge this they get Yankees purely, purely Yankee professors that know to say Nothing and stare you in the face intimidatingly. I have no history with this and their Stand in the SchoolHouse Door and thinking that I am hindering or Will hinder Other Asian students Because they have accredited Foreign Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad, Daughter of Tonghap Presbyterian Church of Korea Church groups, accredited for full 10 point letter grades with their school system for Every single degree course, for 30 points of the entire cumulative gradescale, that then my undoubted association respectively with their schoolbody , is almost illegaly put in bold lettering 'they do not accept people of religion forcing religion', suggesting university system wide preference for no religion, their office of General Counsel doesn't do anything about anyway.

It seems like all anyone does off of the anti-miscegenation laws page wiki and the segregation page wiki and that Alabama led the entire Sotuhern United States in the 60's against Federal invasion, is grin and like it too, that is Not Possible For The Average Alabamian! Its not a stretching possibility! They recruit these professors for their summer vacations to Alabama from all over the place! They will insult me beyond words to suggest that totally under-the-table occurrences happen at their university between white students and maybe 10 year older supervisory Asian women students, her closest associates would al be 10 years older so lets say 10 years older Asian students generalized to mean a Racist and unapproachable demeanor of some sort with the Only student signing up and cooperating with their Only publicly available workshops.

On another part, Yes, Presbyterianism does turn out to be the history of America. Most Theologians in Presbyterianism tend to take this recruiting strategy, anyway. It pre-exists the United States in a powerful position. a third or more of US Independence signers are Presbyterians. Its one of two religions from the British isles. There was a Certain heritage to American that has gone into a transition, being about ideals, association, that's not a Hostile thing at all, as late to how many Presidents in History the Woodrow Wilson family is related to, a dozen. Yonsei University in Korea is purposefully modeled after Princeton University , who presented a portrait of George Washington, where the Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad clearly looks up to and names the older body and their entire history obviously. The Korea theologian tends to focus on Puritans, the Thanksgiving and the Korean Thanksgiving and those ecumenical studies. The Scotsman could come to the aid of southern states of Puritan heritage like happened in the English Civil War and the Scottish Covenanter, that is the ENTIRE MESSAGE of the Confederates. Every single piece of their propaganda will Explore a piece of this. Most notice then a very religious conservative Presbyterian 'who hardly writes' fires upon the Scottish arm of the British Empire, 'they won't rest a day on this soil'. The British Empire is very Far Away from the religious heart of their own religions, especially in this timeperiod. Especialy. THeir most famous missionary is Dr. Livingstone. Livingstone, I Presume. He could be plastered across a Union Jack, he recruited 1 chieftan and left, who unconverted. Many in Africa today claim descent from it. Proeprly dressed to name Victoria Falls and wear a saber and trample some native populations, for the missionaries come after them ,and quote the Westminster confession, the Bible should be in al vulgar and native tongue, which can't be used, they're ina british empire.

I have a very simple example again, on this. I Do think its important. Our system has gone lax. there are no examples in movies, its not in people's brains. We have religious schools in America in place of public school. Andrew Jackson could Lead the country as a Reformed Man, 'by the lights of the Reformed Governance" and perhaps his guide to governance is Presbyterianism. That's not Mitt Romney trying to deny all thought-control in Mormonism. In France, there are no legal public displays and controls of religion in your daily life, which mostly comes up because they call a woman's headcovering scarf as religious symbolism and invasion of private matters into public matters. Mostly, the French Revolution happened over 30 years after the American one. Most Americans will not realize that not a single Other Nation on the Planet would accept as valid a Non-Christian Government. Not a single other existing Non-Kingdom. We have to understand US support for the French Republican and "Radical Republicanism" and the "single star" and historical American issues, no Other Place Was Not the Owned Proeprty of Kings, therefore a Republic.

Do you know any Presbyterian South Koreans? I know 35 of them.. They are lovely people.
 

MikeDwight

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I don't even Know 35 people . I've physically seen 35 Koreans attending either an original Korean Presbyterian Church Abroad in Korea and I've also seen a larger number with a little more basic split services in the Nationalistically altered PCUSA Churches, celebrating Chuseok for example. I can't say I am anything but an imposition in any case, though that makes them very hospitable in both cases. The top leadership in PCUSA is providing the public a general plan that the Korean split congregation and Mission is a temporary setback on an overall plan for a joint congregation. I think its the most pressing example we have about an immediate bold-faced wrong going on.

To answer my own question, like you would run into Eisenhower, Andrew Jackson, a Muslim, a Jew, and Fred Rogers, and you would deal with them and their morals, (and Lee Myung-bak, I found Lee Myung-bak's land of God(Hananim) persuasive global stage stuff), then your moral outlook is traditionally always focused on the happily married women, who aren't forced into a foolish part, for the happy Land of Columbia this America, of course we have to respect the precepts of orthodox Churches, that the PCUSA is not going to Invade the Korean Church Parish, like it did Hawaii?! Christ is In all the Nations.
 

MikeDwight

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How are we to leave to a General Opinion that a Korean Extreme Minority was persecuted? They probably can take this on No evidence or unintentional evidence. There is No way that the selfless exposition of a selfless Christian morality from the beginning to end without alteration should be allowed to meet the berating that it did by the mass public. Suspicions on anything else is unfounded. There are no racist presumptions ever present by the only minion attending their lead in assembly. They are trying to justify the unjustifiable of interpretive cultural occurrence without any physical action of mine of defined intent to go on.

Its possible Korea is full of false equivalents and standards. Koreans spend al their money on private tutoring. They have donations to the public good. They preach that you are already at fault with the situation in Korea. They complain about your generational wealth in America. They complain about their wealth. There is no telling what was supposed to happen to me following along sensibly and effectively as a participant. Supposedly something not on course with how I'm supposed to have completed working there.
 
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