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whats your beef with brexit?

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by England my lionheart, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    We are speaking of the same EU ?:p
    The same EU which after this global health emergency hasn't had the courage and the fairness to admit its own faults...
    That is, having obliged many countries to cut the public expenditure on healthcare for two decades.
    Instead of pushing the member states to increase it and to potentiate their own NHSs
    Trying to impose privatizations in the countries with single payer healthcare systems. Britain, Sweden, Italy, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, Finland.

    After the austerity measures it has been preaching .
     
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  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I don't know about the others but the dismantling of the british nhs in favour of privatisation is a conservative government ploy to sell off the profitable departments to their Eton buddies and definance the remainder because only the plebs use it.

    Nothing to do with the EU but long term tory policy
     
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  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I received this in an email last night.

    The government saw the biggest defeat in the House of Lords for over 20 years today, as peers from across the house rejected Boris Johnson's plan to break international law and pave the way for a no-deal Brexit.

    395 lords to 169 voted to condemn the Internal Market Bill, saying that it “would undermine the rule of law and damage the reputation of the United Kingdom”. Thank you to everyone who used our tool to lobby a lord ahead of this key vote.

    This is a hopeful sign – but it's not over yet. Their vote today doesn't stop the bill in its tracks – but it shows that it has no chance of getting through the House of Lords without heavy amendments.

    It is still worth writing to a lord if you haven't already:
    Lobby a lord

    What happens now? If the House of Lords insists on amendments - as looks likely – then the bill will be sent back to the House of Commons to vote on those amendments. If we assume the Tory majority in the Commons will reject them, then there is a stalemate.

    At that point, the House of Lords could take the big step of refusing to roll over, and blocking the bill. It is very rare that this happens - but it is also very rare for such a huge majority in the Lords to be opposed to a government bill, and unprecedented for the government to be trying to pass a bill that rides roughshod over the rule of law.

    That is why it is important to keep making your views known to the Lords, and sharing the lobby-a-lord tool with other people too:


    A little ray of hope that all those brits living in europe are not just going to be dumped
     
  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I also notice that british spammers have been emboldened.

    With the EU anti spam laws i saw a vast reduction in spam, that i did receive was mostly from the US and for some reason, russian girls warning to ****.

    In the last couple of weeks spam from the UK had been appearing more and more.

    Three different spammers, the style is obvious but each time a little different so spam filters cannot learn them.
     
  5. Secret Chief

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    I've written pointless emails to my vacuous nodding dog tory MP before now, but how do you lobby a lord? And which to choose? Lord Botham of ********?
     
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    Do you have a link? :p
     
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  7. ChristineM

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    I delete them because spam assassin doesn't, I'll send you one next time :rolleyes:
     
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  8. ChristineM

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    The Stay European emails provides links.
     
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  9. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Yes yes yawn,we are a small country with a measily 14000 miles of coast line,one wonders then why it's so important to fisherman from France and Spain?,french fisherman are making threats blah blah,how dare they,the EU has its own waters but these are ours,ask nicely about using them or they can go forth and multiply.
     
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  10. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Yes the EU regulations,they have five presidents to dictate them,for Ireland I think there must be special dispensations for a very difficult situation.
     
  11. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    We pay more than most of the other members,brexits not going to be cheap for anyone,a no deal for the EU will hurt too,they need to realise they cannot dictate to this country or indeed any country,macron needs to understand this for sure.
     
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    The UK sold most of its fishing quotas to foreign vessels.

    Anyway, fishing is so small to UK, it is virtually irrelevant.

    Brexit is a disaster, that we are heading into totally unprepared. Well done UK you sold us a dummy
     
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  13. ChristineM

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    So how far out so British waters reach??? Consider the closeness of france (22 miles at one point), british waters dont encroaching on french waters do they?

    And not much different from wales and NW england to Ireland, british waters don't encroach on irish waters do they?

    Face it, the coastline is yours, much of the ocean is t
     
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    Sorry bro, that train has left the station a long time ago. Enjoy your freedom, pal.
     
  15. Estro Felino

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    As Cicero said "I want no just master. I want no master at all".
    Britain want no master...no mattet how "fair" it is.
    Maybe if the Brussels élites hadn't created a dictatorship, Britain would be still with us.
    So I guess these elites are blaming themselves 24/7;)
     
  16. Altfish

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    Sorry we have our masters, here is a quote from one of them ...

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  17. Estro Felino

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    But this quote strengthens my point;):)
     
  18. Altfish

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    Not for the UK; we are not independent but run by oligarchs and media moguls.
     
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  19. Estro Felino

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    And in fact the Peoples should be united against these oligarchs...many of whom would want to privatize the NHS...to speculate on healthcare and turn it into a business.
    And the EU who has preached austerity and cuts is bribed by these oligarchs.
     
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  20. Altfish

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    But leaving the EU makes NHS privatisation and privatisation in general much more likely.
     
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