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whats your beef with brexit?

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by England my lionheart, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. Altfish

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    No one has ever explained to me how we will be better off. Just generalities like "Get our sovereignty back", " Control our borders" and ""Make our own laws" - but no examples of how this will actually be in the real world.
    All I see is companies leaving, more immigration, reduced environmental and food laws, and trading with despot nations. Please tell me I'm wrong...
     
  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    You are not wrong.
     
  3. Altfish

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    So it wasn't oven ready' because only we had agreed to it? It takes two to tango (or in the EU's case a lot more than 2)
     
  4. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Here are the sticking points,these can be found on the government website.

    Fishing:

    What the political declaration says

    71. The Parties should cooperate bilaterally and internationally to ensure fishing at sustainable levels, promote resource conservation, and foster a clean, healthy and productive marine environment, noting that the United Kingdom will be an independent coastal state.

    Note "an independent coastal state",the EU want us to stay in the common fisheries we don't,they want to call the shots,they can get lost.

    ECJ jurisdiction:

    131. The Parties indicate that should a dispute raise a question of interpretation of provisions or concepts of Union law, which may also be indicated by either Party, the arbitration panel should refer the question to the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) as the sole arbiter of Union law, for a binding ruling as regards the interpretation of Union law.

    Conversely, there should be no reference to the CJEU where a dispute does not raise such a question.

    The ECJ have jurisdiction over EU law,unreasonably they want it over us regardless of us being outside of the EU,this unreasonable behaviour by the EU is the problem.
     
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    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    That's their problem
     
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    We have to get over covid first from which we will all suffer,countries like Spain even moreso,there will be upeval,there will be tough times ahead but we'll survive and we will be free to be a trading nation again.
     
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    Lol
     
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    They are ours to sell,the combined eu fleets take 6 million of which we take 754000,do you think they all eat theirs.
     
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    Even the french dislike macron,poor buggers.
     
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    No, it's our problem because that's what the Leavers were sold - it's easy, the EU will fall over to deal with us - oh, and immigrants
     
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    So, you still cannot name the benefits - just blame COVID
     
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  12. ChristineM

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    A lot less French than English/Welsh who dislike buffon Boris, poor huggers


    Currently macrons rating is climbing following his handling of covid 19

    Boris is falling, 7% in the last few weeks
     
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  13. England my lionheart

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    I'm not blaming covid,that's a different issue.
     
  14. ChristineM

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    The eu fleet was not the question . The uk fleet was. Do you have a wholesale supply of goalposts you can move?
     
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    But you are still ignoring the original question....

    What are the benefits of Brexit - I await with baited breath
     
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    Yeah cos we've not been trading all these years have we. It would be funny except we all have to live with the consequences of all these lies, ignorance and general stupidity. Is the deal with Liechtenstein sewn up yet, I recall the government spokesperson seemed very excited about it.
     
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  17. ChristineM

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    Sure they are yours to sell (or give away as Farage puts it)

    Who do you think will buy when you sever relations with 700 million people?
     
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    Liechtensteiners are absolute fish maniacs.
     
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    To the fisherman who can't fish our waters anymore
     
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