We do not know if they have sex for pleasure, but watch them and you might notice that it might look like sometimes they are pleasuring themselves.
As the joke goes: why do dogs lick their genitals? Ans: because they can!
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We do not know if they have sex for pleasure, but watch them and you might notice that it might look like sometimes they are pleasuring themselves.
Not just looking at porn but masturbating to porn.Are you claiming their "ED and a whole bunch of other sexual problems" are due to watching porn? If so, I don't buy it.
If we're such a minority then why is the website and the NoFap movement growing?Ya got me, I'm no psychiatrist, although I do know you're in a very tiny minority of people.
That's story's sad but the personal experiences of these people can't and shouldn't be ignored.And that's unfortunate, but I don't see their problem with porn outweighing its value. Keep in mind that it isn't only pornography that generates problems in the lives of people. People get caught up in all sorts of unhealthy or destructive behaviors from abusing their interests. I know of a couple who got divorced because the woman could no longer put up with her husband's passion for his model train layout. He even "broke" holes in two of the walls in their home so as to run train tracks between the rooms.
Do you not have a cat?Really? I've never really noticed.
Not just looking at porn but masturbating to porn.
If we're such a minority then why is the website and the NoFap movement growing?
That's story's sad but the personal experiences of these people can't and shouldn't be ignored.
Bonobos and which other animals copulate for pleasure?Well, like I said, the bonobos *do* have sex for pleasure.
I'm not sure why efficiency is the primary criterion to be used. Sex helps the formation of emotional bonds between people and that is much more important than reproductive efficiency.
No, I have a dog though.Do you not have a cat?
Bonobos and which other animals copulate for pleasure?
It's inefficient because of how much time humans spend thinking about sex when they could be doing something else more productive and also because the money spent on producing porn could be spent on more important things like eliminating poverty, curing diseases etc.
Let's move the conversation towards meaning --- isn't sex ultimately meaningless anyway since its just a fleeting form of pleasure and it lasts for a few minutes anyway?
My sister's little dog humps stuffed animals and gets obviously stimulated by it.
Yes I have sex negative view but it doesn't matter anyway. There's one question you forgot to answer: are there animals other than bonobos, cats or dogs who copulate for pleasure?No. Among other things, it promotes bonding between people, which is a good thing full of meaning.This bond last far longer than the sex itself.
Sex also relieves tension, which reduces stress. In a society that is subject to *way* too much stress, this is not only a meaningful thing, but a very important thing for both mental and physical health.
It's clear that the main differences here are that I have a sex-positive attitude: I think sex is a good thing and is to be promoted and enjoyed.
You seem to have sex-negative attitude: you see sex as meaningless and something to be avoided. Is that fair?
Yes I have sex negative view but it doesn't matter anyway. There's one question you forgot to answer: are there animals other than bonobos, cats or dogs who copulate for pleasure?
It might not be relevant to the discussion but I want to know for my own personal information. Hmmm, I can't believe it, masturbation is actually normal in the animal kingdom. OK one last question about animals: are there animals that practice celibacy?I don't know. I'm not sure why it is relevant for this discussion, either.
/E: Actually, most primates masturbate with some frequency. You can see this at zoos if you look.
Would be interesting to poll current and post sex workers on the how it affects or has affected their lives. I don't know any to question, but it seems to be heavily entangled in drugs, assault, suicide, STDs, and bad marriages.Well, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution also. As it is done in, say, Amsterdam, it isn't like what you claim.
It might not be relevant to the discussion but I want to know for my own personal information. Hmmm, I can't believe it, masturbation is actually normal in the animal kingdom. OK one last question about animals: are there animals that practice celibacy?
Yes I have sex negative view but it doesn't matter anyway. There's one question you forgot to answer: are there animals other than bonobos, cats or dogs who copulate for pleasure?
I've heard this argument from the gay choice side, it doesn't hold any value to compare low intelligence behavior to high intelligence behavior. Dogs do things like eat poop, smell butts, and hump your leg.... does that justify human behavior if a human felt the urge to do it? We would think a person mad. If it is not natural to the purpose of the body then it's always a question of being unnatural and usually it has some implications attached.It might not be relevant to the discussion but I want to know for my own personal information. Hmmm, I can't believe it, masturbation is actually normal in the animal kingdom. OK one last question about animals: are there animals that practice celibacy?
Perhaps you're unaware of the significance in the difference between growth numbers and growth rate.If we're such a minority then why is the website and the NoFap movement growing?
If humans are evolved just like other animals then why would we have free will and they not have a sense of free will?In some ape societies, there are many celibate members, but that tends to be an unwilling state of affairs. Dominant males and females get sex: those lower in the pecking order do not (well, there are exceptions). Voluntary celibacy is probably limited to humans. Some insects also have celibate individuals, but calling insect behavior voluntary is, well, debatable.
If humans are evolved just like other animals then why would we have free will and they not have a sense of free will?
@Polymath257 what do you think of this argument?I've heard this argument from the gay choice side, it doesn't hold any value to compare low intelligence behavior to high intelligence behavior. Dogs do things like eat poop, smell butts, and hump your leg.... does that justify human behavior if a human felt the urge to do it? We would think a person mad. If it is not natural to the purpose of the body then it's always a question of being unnatural and usually it has some implications attached.