What's the purpose behind believing in something that cannot be proven true?

[ppp]

My Answer: My god? Does anyone really own anything?

Yes.

Your Assumptions are not correct. I do have evidence that God exists. It's the same evidence that I know you exist. On the other hand, I have no evidence your keys exist or ever existed. Are you delusional??? OK! OK! I will believe the keys exist until it becomes important enough to Discover the Truth by finding your keys for you.

All of the statements in that paragraph are false, with the possible exception of the last sentence.

Now if you want me to serve up the proof God exists, the best I can do is point you in a direction by which you will be capable of Discovering the truth for yourself. How badly do you want it? Discovery takes a lot more work than accepting beliefs served up on a plate. Search your soul. What do you really want?

As I said before, I have done far more exploration than you, and likely more than any believer that you know. But even had I done none, the burden of proof for your claims would still be on you.

Heck, Bird, even if I believed that a god existed, I would still have no reason to believe that you know, or are capable of knowing that one exists.

 

[Bird123]

I don't, but why do you write such ambiguous things as if someone has proved the existence of God. Not all atheist are like that.

It's my attempt to widen the view. If God exists, then God can be found. Do you really think no one has ever had contact with God?

There are many reasons God does not pop in and say it's Me.

Understanding, Putting the puzzle together, being a hungry student, having a wide view, stretching the intellect, ebb and flow of knowledge, having a need to know the real truth and be willing to see truth for what it is, rather than what one might want it to be, keeping the journey ever moving forward and open to all the new possibilities one discovers are all part of a successful journey.

If man were meant to fly, man would of had wings. No one could fly before Discovery. What would have happened if that belief was accepted by everyone? There would be no planes today. One must have a WIDE VIEW and be willing to venture into Undiscovered country. This is about everything not just about God.

This world has never ever been about God. If God popped up everywhere, then it would be.

So what do I choose to do: Serve up beliefs hoping to get followers OR point so those who are ready might see a direction by which they can move forward and Discover for themselves? I point, but it has never been up to me.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do you really think no one has ever had contact with God?
One must have a WIDE VIEW and be willing to venture into Undiscovered country. This is about everything not just about God.
So what do I choose to do: Serve up beliefs hoping to get followers OR point so those who are ready might see a direction by which they can move forward and Discover for themselves? I point, but it has never been up to me.

Yeah I believe no one has ever had contact with any God / Allah. Only Moses is reported to have seen the hind parts of YHWH and talked to him. But there is no witness for that too.
True, but in the last 5000 years no verifiable proof of God / Allah or any of his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis has ever been found or his interaction in anything that is happening in the world.
Without any evidence, what the people are pointing at cannot / should not be accepted.

 

[Bird123]

Yes.

All of the statements in that paragraph are false, with the possible exception of the last sentence.


As I said before, I have done far more exploration than you, and likely more than any believer that you know. But even had I done none, the burden of proof for your claims would still be on you.

Heck, Bird, even if I believed that a god existed, I would still have no reason to believe that you know, or are capable of knowing that one exists.

What you BELIEVE about me is irrelevant.

 

[Bird123]

Yeah I believe no one has ever had contact with any God / Allah. Only Moses is reported to have seen the hind parts of YHWH and talked to him. But there is no witness for that too.
True, but in the last 5000 years no verifiable proof of God / Allah or any of his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis has ever been found or his interaction in anything that is happening in the world.
Without any evidence, what the people are pointing at cannot / should not be accepted.

Are you waiting for others to bring you the answers?? You do not Understand. I do not want you or anyone to Accept or Believe. I am merely pointing to a door.

Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God. I have found no religion that understands God. Can you really count on religions stories for your entire source of information about God? Think about that?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[ppp]

What you BELIEVE about me is irrelevant.

As you are basing your case on nothing more than your bald assertions of what you believe is true, what I believe, or in this case, don't believe about you is the only thing that is relevant. That is all that you have put on the table for consideration, Bird.

Now if you want to spare me your opinions, and present some actual evidence for your claims, I will be happy to consider that instead.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Are you waiting for others to bring you the answers?? You do not Understand. I do not want you or anyone to Accept or Believe. I am merely pointing to a door.
Religion is mankind's attempt to understand God. I have found no religion that understands God. Can you really count on religions stories for your entire source of information about God? Think about that?

I have already thought about that. There is no God to understand. I am an atheist. Yeah, religious stories, those in my religion or that of others others are fun. Some of them are horrible, like that of Lot, Abraham, etc. I would not want young children to read those, there are better stories elsewhere. You are pointing only towards your own ignorance.

 

[Bird123]

As you are basing your case on nothing more than your bald assertions of what you believe is true, what I believe, or in this case, don't believe about you is the only thing that is relevant. That is all that you have put on the table for consideration, Bird.

Now if you want to spare me your opinions, and present some actual evidence for your claims, I will be happy to consider that instead.

You still do not have a clue, do you? I have no case. Your choices do not matter to me in the least. I am not serving up Beliefs as others have for you to accept or reject. If this is what you are after, disregard everything I said because you will never ever Discover the proof I thought you wanted. And you say religion has not corrupted your thinking.

What I have done is placed real truth in your lap. What anyone decides to do with truth is entirely up to them. I will not coerce or intimidate your free choices.

Discovery takes work and stretching your view and intellect. Discovery takes a lifetime for there is always more to Discover.

I think you have already made your choices. Just like religion, your belief is right and can not be altered. On the other hand, all the secrets of the universe stare you and all of us in the face. One has to look no further when, just like religion, Beliefs are all that matter. How much is missed with that view??

What you want is clear. On the other hand, when you argue with theists, you are doing the same thing they are. I see both as the same.

Say we are walking in a large desert. We come across each other as we have today. You say I could use some water. I say go east 4 miles and there is an oasis full of water. I point. You tell me prove it. I tell you what you do with truth is entirely up to you. If you want the water go east 4 miles.

Your journey has never depended on me. If you want the water, go get it. If you don't because you think it is my Belief there is water 4 miles east, then don't go. It doesn't get simpler than this. Do what you want. I'm happy regardless of your choices. Each chooses what they want to learn in life. I merely point.

You claim to know all the answers. Great. On the other hand when truth is in the world, those that are ready will see it.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

I have already thought about that. There is no God to understand. I am an atheist. Yeah, religious stories, those in my religion or that of others others are fun. Some of them are horrible, like that of Lot, Abraham, etc. I would not want young children to read those, there are better stories elsewhere. You are pointing only towards your own ignorance.

Simply because, just like I, you can not agree with the stories of religion, does that mean God does not exist?
Why??

 

[ppp]

You still do not have a clue, do you? I have no case.

Then there is no need for me wast time by reading further.

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. you can not agree with the stories of religion, does that mean God does not exist? Why?

It is not that. Stories are interesting. Some should be classified as porn or hate stories. But then, other than the stories, there is no other evidence of God, soul, heaven, hell, of being saved or destroyed, of prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis and what have you.

 

[Bird123]

It is not that. Stories are interesting. Some should be classified as porn or hate stories. But then, other than the stories, there is no other evidence of God, soul, heaven, hell, of being saved or destroyed, of prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis and what have you.

All the secrets of the universe stare us all in the face. God hides nothing.
In this time-based causal universe, God's actions can be seen. One can understand more about anyone through their actions than through any belief or book.

Put the puzzle together piece by piece. When you open one door, it will lead to more doors, more knowledge, a wider view, a more advanced thinking, and more doors you can open.

Discovery is no short journey. It is a lifetime. Given enough time and effort, you will find the evidence you seek. Of course, if it is evidence you seek.

Let's look at an action of God. God does not just give knowledge out. Wisdom is acquired on the journey to Discover knowledge. This is about all subjects so when people say they have messages from God on how people should act or live, their message comes from them, not God.

How could anyone really acquire wisdom without the journey? This speaks to what God is really about.

Years ago when I was no longer a child, I realized religions do not add up. This is when I started my journey since I was one who had to know the real truth. I point, however no one pointed for me. Perhaps in the end, that will be the only way. The need to know is an important factor.

Just like all the physics of this world adds up perfectly, so will everything about God and the people factor in this world. The people factor and God have many more variables so it will be much more complicated. Everything about God and this world adding up perfectly is the base at which one should never fall below if one is to stay on the right track.

Ebb and flow of true knowledge is an important factor in the journey. Example: If I were to build a car, there are things all cars must have: an engine, a way to stop, a way to steer, a place to sit, etc. Get the idea?

If God exists, then God can be found. God can be found regardless of what anyone might say. God has the sum of all knowledge. The more knowledge one acquires; the more in common one has with God, the closer one becomes to God, and the more one understands.

Remember, any Being capable of creating all this has to be very very smart. With this in mind, one must stretch their thinking and widen that view. Intelligence does exist far beyond that of mankind.

This has all been my journey or at least where I started all those years ago.

I could give all the answers but then it would be a mere belief. There is a much greater strength in Knowing rather than believing.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Aupmanyav]

All the secrets of the universe stare us all in the face. God hides nothing.

You have some comprehension problem, Bird123. Don't you undersand that I am an atheist, and I do not believe in all God-talk that you are posting here? I consider it absolutely false.

 

[Bird123]

You have some comprehension problem, Bird123. Don't you undersand that I am an atheist, and I do not believe in all God-talk that you are posting here? I consider it absolutely false.

I do understand that you are an atheist and do not believe God exists. Further, I was never asking you to believe.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Then, what were we discussing all this time?
To answer the OP: No purpose, cultural pride, childhood brain-washing, ignorance to believe in something which is not proven.