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What WW2 actually was: a war between banking powers

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It sure did a bang up job planning the 2 day victory over Ukraine.
And they can't stop this...
Do you think I care whether two Slavic peoples kill one another in the steppe?

I couldn't care less...

The purpose of this thread is to highlight how banking powers played a primary role in the breakout of WW2.
And in most wars, apparently.
 
There were not 6 million Jews in Russia. I am sorry.

Yes I said the number was likely made up and just repeated as people had nothing better to go on.

This happens all of the time in low quality journalism. Why would sensationalist journalists in the US know accurately how many Jews were in Soviet Union?

People often make up numbers or guesstimate them or just repeat what others say uncritically.

Surely you must accept this is common, agreed?

And do you really think it's a coincidence that in the Holocaust, six million Jews died?
It’s barely even a coincidence given one was talking about number of Jews in Soviet Union and the other was something that happened as part of a Nazi genocide that was obviously not planned by bankers 20 years previously in the context of the USSR.

It wasn’t even planned by Nazis before WW2.

don't believe in coincidences, I am sorry. I won't let be duped by anyone. I am a very educated person.

And history shows educated and intelligent people are often susceptible to narratives that make them right and the foolish masses wrong.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It’s barely even a coincidence given one was talking about number of Jews in Soviet Union and the other was something that happened as part of a Nazi genocide that was obviously not planned by bankers 20 years previously in the context of the USSR.
It wasn’t even planned by Nazis before WW2.
Let's say you are a courtroom juror.
A man named mister X says that Mr Y will die soon, by the means of stabbing.
It turns out that Mr Y, after a while is found dead, with a stab wound in the heart.

You will say that MR X is totally innocent and his prediction is a mere coincidence.
Right?

And history shows educated and intelligent people are often susceptible to narratives that make them right and the foolish masses wrong.

Educated and intelligent people can put two and two together.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We have learned from history. No politician can ever fool us again with a stupid, primitive, animalistic concept named war.
Our grandparents passed on that to us.
One thing history teaches us is that people don't learn from history.
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Tis the opposite of blind to observe that socialism in
every country that tried it has been a cesspool of
oppression & economic failure.
I stick with capitalism because it has some successes.
Your belief in socialism mimics religious faith, ie,
belief without evidence.

It's only blind when one attempts to characterize and summarize an entire country's history with a throwaway one-liner.

Socialism is rooted in a desire for fairness and justice. Capitalism is rooted in greed and injustice.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's only blind when one attempts to characterize and summarize an entire country's history with a throwaway one-liner.
That perfectly describes your response
to the history of socialist countries.
Socialism is rooted in a desire for fairness and justice. Capitalism is rooted in greed and injustice.
And yet, the results we see are largely
the opposite of the goals you claim.
The road to fascism is paved with
socialist dreams of fairness & justice.
 
Yes I said the number was likely made up and just repeated as people had nothing better to go on.

This happens all of the time in low quality journalism. Why would sensationalist journalists in the US know accurately how many Jews were in Soviet Union?

People often make up numbers or guesstimate them or just repeat what others say uncritically.

Surely you must accept this is common, agreed?
You didn’t answer this.

Let's say you are a courtroom juror.
A man named mister X says that Mr Y will die soon, by the means of stabbing.
It turns out that Mr Y, after a while is found dead, with a stab wound in the heart.

You will say that MR X is totally innocent and his prediction is a mere coincidence.
Right?

That isn’t remotely analogous for reasons already discussed.

More accurate would be someone saying Mr X is in danger from Ivan, then Mr Y got killed in another country by Fritz.

Educated and intelligent people can put two and two together.

They can, but if they put them together to make 5 because the dupes all think they make 4, one might side with the dupes.

Conspiracy theories make folk think they are special unlike the masses.
 
Socialism is rooted in a desire for fairness and justice. Capitalism is rooted in greed and injustice.

Arguing against facile cliches with facile cliches seems the wrong approach.

Capitalism is not rooted in that any more than socialism is rooted in Stalinism.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
They can, but if they put them together to make 5 because the dupes all think they make 4, one might side with the dupes.

Conspiracy theories make folk think they are special unlike the masses.
Back then there were roughly 12 million Jews all over the world.

So according to your reasoning, 6 million Jews were exterminated in Russia, in 1921 (as the article claims)
while the other 6 million Jews were exterminated in Auschwitz, in 1943-1945 right?

So there were two Holocausts? There would be zero Jews left...
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
You'd have an easier argument with Hitler.
But he still identified as a socialist, evolved
in that direction, & established....
That's just wrong.
In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.
Ultimately, Hitler was just as much of a socialist as he was a Christian.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Back then there were roughly 12 million Jews all over the world.

So according to your reasoning, 6 million Jews were exterminated in Russia, in 1921 (as the article claims)
while the other 6 million Jews were exterminated in Auschwitz, in 1943-1945 right?

So there were two Holocausts? There would be zero Jews left...

You are getting increasingly confused.

It doesn’t say 6 million were exterminated. Just read the articles you posted.

It said 6 million were at risk because they lived in USSR/Russia where there was oppression.

But if you won’t even read your own articles properly then there’s not much I can do to change your mind on this.

If it helps, some people today say all black people in America are at risk of being killed by racist police. This doesn’t mean police will actually kill all of them or even 1% of them.

Risk of violence and death are very different.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You are getting increasingly confused.

It doesn’t say 6 million were exterminated. Just read the articles you posted.

It said 6 million were at risk because they lived in USSR/Russia where there was oppression.

But if you won’t even read your own articles properly then there’s not much I can do to change your mind on this.

If it helps, some people today say all black people in America are at risk of being killed by racist police. This doesn’t mean police will actually kill all of them or even 1% of them.

Risk of violence and death are very different.
Perfect, you have clarified. :)

You find perfectly normal that they guessed the exact number (six million) which is the exact number of Jewish people killed during the genocide of the fourties. Jews from Western Europe, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Bulgaria, etc...

I don't find it normal: I find it that those articles frame them. They disgust me, honestly. They planned the genocide twenty years before, at least. Maybe 30.
 
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