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Featured What would you expect people to do if a real God sent a real Messenger to earth?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Trailblazer, May 23, 2018.

  1. Trailblazer

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    What would you expect people to do if a real God sent a real Messenger to earth?

    This is a hypothetical question and it is mostly directed at nonbelievers.
    Believers can answer this too if they want to.

    I have a specific reason for asking this but I want to leave it open-ended for now. :)
     
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  2. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Id certainly expect a wealth of learnable knowledge about being, relationship, truth and existence. The knowledge given would remove all doubts on ultimate questions.

    My question is to you , who is Jesus to Bahullah?
     
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  3. sun rise

    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    I believe that has happened repeatedly. Historically that figure has been ignored or attacked by the majority and recognized only by a tiny minority at first.
     
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  4. Trailblazer

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    That is what we have in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah. :D
    Baha'u'llah revealed everything we need to know and are capable of understanding during this age of history. More will be revealed in the future by the next Messenger of God as our needs and capabilities increase.
    Jesus was a Manifestation of God (a Messenger of God, a mediator between God and man), just like Baha'u'llah. Jesus prepared the way for the coming of the Kingdom of God on earth by spiritualizing humanity with His teachings. Jesus changed the hearts of man so they would be ready to unite when Baha'u'llah appeared.

    John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Obviously that could not be accomplished at Jesus’ first coming, when He walked the earth, because the whole world could not even communicate with each other. It refers to a future age in history, when “there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

    Baha’is beleive Jesus is referring to His Second Coming, when all of humanity would be gathered together and become one people. The unity of mankind was the primary mission of Baha’u’llah. The one fold was prophesied in Isaiah 11:6-9 and the one shepherd was prophesied in Isaiah 9:6-7. It is a Baha’i belief that in the future there will be only one religion, the religion of God.

    What Isaiah 11:6-9 means to a Baha’i is that in the future diverse religions and races will become comrades, friends and companions. The contentions between races, the differences of religions, and the barriers between nations will be completely removed, and all of humanity will attain perfect union and reconciliation.
     
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    Yes, that is exactly what happened. Why do you think that happened? What do you think that means?
     
  6. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Is the bible apart of the Ba'hai faith?
     
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    The problem would be in ascertaining the legitimacy of the claim. How would one arrive at accepting such claims as being genuine? It would almost have to be a leap of faith... and that is expecting a lot in this day and age.
     
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  8. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Choose an appropriate meaning.
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    Perhaps many would be inclined to put such a God on trial (via any messenger), or at least ask him/her/it to explain why there was not a clear and obvious indication of there being such a God from the very beginning, and where all the conflicting religious beliefs might not then have arisen so as to cause so much strife and death throughout history. So, more judgmental perhaps than acceptance. But I assume any God would have appropriate excuses - being omnipotent and all.
     
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    Why would God send any Messenger at all. Everything is Perfect just the way it is. Who am I to judge anything about God's creation.
     
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    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    It's human nature in its current state of evolution as I see it. When a World Teacher comes, the current state of affairs is disrupted with a new dispensation and people resist the change.
     
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    Homer Simpson agrees with you :)
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Most people would ridicule them, and not take it seriously...

    Religions wouldn't accept the change, thus would ignore, and even delete them if possible from people learning alternatives.

    Thus they'd not be noticed, even if they explained it to people.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Be astonished. I mean, what why would a deity -- any real deity -- do such a thing?

    We are so accustomed to hearing stories of deities coming to earth -- or sending messengers -- that we simply no longer think about such stories. Instead, we just accept that as something deity might do.
     
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    People's reactions depend on how charismatic some speaker is and how popular the message is, no matter what source they quote if any.

    What would the messenger do and would the messenger say he is a messenger?
     
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    All people drop to thy knee's
    Look towards the sky
    For heavens no more deny
    no lie
    cry
    we would be saved!

    This can't be true
    They would say
    On that day
    In a disbelieving way
    But hey !
    Proof is in the pudding
    Heart beats thudding
    Excitement and joy
    like invention of new toy
    Child like may
    Who's to say

    If the messenger looked like man
    People would think
    Just another scam
    Throw them in a van
    With a nice white jacket
    Wrapped in a packet
    They would not hack it
    Just another nut job
    Poor sod
    They was from God
    Didn't look like a frog
    Yet we flushed them
    Down the bog

    I hope that answers your question
    With absolute objection
    Love and affection
    Trying to find perfection....
    Be people
    Be like people
    Be individual
    But equal
    For I am
    And you are
    The children of God.

     
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  16. Frater Sisyphus

    Frater Sisyphus Contradiction, irrationality and disorder

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    If you remove religious prejudice and take it into consideration as something significant that happened, even with complete undeniable scientific proof; there would still be people that outright deny it. Not just stubborn-type atheists but religious people from other religions, matrix/simulation theorists and conspiracy theorists - will likely disagree all over the board rather than see what is objectively happening in front of their eyes.
     
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    OK, as a non-believer....

    The first thing that'll happen is all the religious people will declare 'it' a false prophet because it doesn't comply with their religious beliefs.
    Then there'd be a TV bidding war to get exclusive rights to the interview.
    Trump of course will be calling it 'Fake News'
    Non-believers will be very skeptical, certainly wanting this being to jump through a few hoops to prove its claims. Once they are convinced, non-believers will listen to what it has to say, ask questions, interrogate. If it demands worship, it'd probably lose me there and then.

    Be very interesting though.
     
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  18. Unveiled Artist

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    Id ask personally, which god. I dont have a good idea of what god is to know the differences.

    I went to a good concert once. The people fell head over hills for the singer insomuch to try and touch his leg. People cried when witney huston died but was thankful that michael jackson died as well. My former friend and I were watching prope francis on t.v. when he came to DC. Someone tried to jump on him to touch his garment. My catholic friend said, "thats like jumping on god".

    Id expect people to faint, try to touch him, and basically stop, drop, and roll. I mean he could send muhammad back or moses or elisiah, jesus, or abraham. Who knows.

    Id be shocked but based on what i read about the abrahamic god he'd have to force me to worship him or turn me into salt.
     
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  19. Vinayaka

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    This 'prophet' would have to do something far more spectacular that any so called prophet has done to date. If he volunteered to stand by a wall under a firing squad of 1000 high powered rifles, got blasted repeatedly for 20 minutes, and then got up and addressed the entire world through the power of whispering simultaneously in everyone's ear from the ethers, coupled with a 3-D image of himself 10 inches in front of everyone's eyes and speaking in 200 different languages, then sure.

    But so far we've never had anything close. Good orators, zealous devotees, delusion, braggarts, colorful writers with imagination, fictional characters, ... that combined with gullible people and a debilitating psychological need for such a thing, easily explains everything to date.
     
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    Because there is no way for a human to verify that one is a "real messenger from God", I expect people would react pretty much as they do, now, to those who proclaim themselves to be "real messengers from God".
     
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