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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Epic Beard Man, Sep 19, 2018.

  1. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly what I already believe wholeheartedly. That there simply are no such things.

    If I knew it absolutely, without a doubt - well... that'd actually make very little difference from where I am at now. I hold out a very small sliver of a percent chance that "God" as even vaguely described by most people exists... and that only because I acknowledge that I can't claim to know with 100% certainty.

    My first inclination is to assess you as not a very particularly principled or strong person, morally. If only your religious convictions and fear of reprisal gives you pause on moral matters, then I dare say you actually have no morals. However, as others have said - my guess is you wouldn't find yourself turning to a life of immorality if it were proven to you that God doesn't exist. My best guess is that you found religion as a reason supporting the moralistic person you wanted to be... rather than being moralistic because you found religion.
     
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  2. Shad

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    Nothing different as I already practice this

    This says a lot about you.

    A citizen could kill you while you are busy robbing them.

    Seems like you need a threat to act moral and never were moral. So you respond to the stick and only the stick.
     
  3. QuestioningMind

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    So sad that you were born without the ability to empathize.
     
  4. robocop (actually)

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    I would try to plug up the hole myself by convincing people there is reason to do good. I always want to set a good example. I don't think humans are inherently evil - I don't think cavemen killed off each other. Anyway... hopefully I could be good.
     
  5. wandering peacefully

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    I had no idea people of faith actually thought this way. Maybe the OP is joking? I have heard it said and I have said that if God beliefs are the only thing keeping people moral than its best they remain believers. But I wasn't serious as I wouldn't think it was actually true. Very sad and very scary if this is the case.
     
  6. SomeRandom

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    I have to agree with the Athiests here. Assuming the OP is not facetious, then it belies a sort of straight up sociopathy and lack of basic human decency.
    I fear no reprisal from any God/s or Goddesses, but I don't go around assaulting people, robbing banks and killing people (except in Rockstar games heh) because, quite frankly I was raised better than that.

    If the only thing forcing you to behave like a decent human being is fear of a deity then you are not a decent human being in any sense of the word.
    Disconcerting indeed!
     
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  7. Revoltingest

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    I'd hope the OP was only speculating about a change in desire,
    & not expressing a current desire which is only restrained by
    threat of divine retribution.
     
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    I’d probably keep doing what I’m doing. I’m not interested in selfish behaviour especially if it hurts others.
     
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    I’m wondering if you had a few bourbons too many when you posted this or it’s what you really believe?
     
  10. Jumi

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    Was what you said really necessary or useful? I don't think it was.
     
  11. wandering peacefully

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    If the OP was serious I have to believe he is in the minority and has only been brainwashed by his religious texts into believing atheists are incapable of being moral without god beliefs and was making a statement to that effect. Of course, there are plenty of psychopaths out there who commit horrible crimes but that has little if anything to do with God beliefs. They are just rotten humans. Hopefully most religious folks have outgrown the repugnant, false and immature belief that morality is a result of believing in a sky daddy out there somewhere. It's just not the case. Yes, I agree he was probably only imagining that he would turn bad without his beliefs because he has never experienced living without them. I hope.
     
  12. Revoltingest

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    If we hear about a string of bank robberies in the area,
    we'll know who had become a non-believer.
     
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  13. Epic Beard Man

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    Interesting then how do God’s view rightness and wrongness? Shiva, the destroyer doesn’t sound too nice so obviously from the perspective of an onlooker this deity is capable of obliterating things surely these things are ascribed to someone with some idea of rightness and wrongness.


    Edit: Out of curiousity I did some minor research and in Hinduism there is a god called “Yama” which is a deity of justice. So it would seem this deity would have some sort of idea of justice and judgment.
     
  14. Epic Beard Man

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    People do that even if there are deities that exist, (meaning if God or gods that exist and are cognizant of right and wrong and base their judgment on human morals). What is sad that we in a society breed the mentality of desperation because we operate a society based on a monetary system that is what you ought to be sad for.
     
  15. Epic Beard Man

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    I’m not too sure perhaps these are one of those times for self-reflection. My student loans I’m willing to bet cost more than someone of the houses people live in on this website.. I guess living in the city and seeing things have greatly changed my perspective on morality.
     
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    Okay.....

    By God I’m referring to a deity with absolute authority of this universe (or other universes). Supreme ruler. Self-aware, cognizant of all things. Creator and judge over the affairs of human behavior.

    By gods I refer to a pantheon or a specific deity among the pantheon that is designated a judge over human behavior.
     
  17. Epic Beard Man

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    This is one perspective to have.....

    I do believe there to be a both physical and metaphysical order of things.
     
  18. Epic Beard Man

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    I risk my life now. I guess it maybe difficult for some of you to understand but for those of us that grew up dangerously and are aware of our finite existence danger is something that develops as a subconscious after thought. I risk my life going to the store for looking like someone who may be targeted for a hit. Or for wearing the wrong color shirt or wrong hat.

    The only difference between this and robbing a bank is I don’t have a plan, nor the crew, and the hardware. Life can be rough. People think California life cannot be hard. California has a 20% homeless population and it is only going up per year. If you don’t think people here aren’t willing to risk their life if they could succeed and get away with it you’d be mistaken.
     
  19. Epic Beard Man

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    Sir with all due respect you don’t know me. Nor you don’t know how I was raised nor the environment I was raised in. This thread is purely hypothetical and overall, it really isn’t about me. I grew up in a gang and was a part of it for a very long time. I work in the inner city and I understand the desperation of human beings. Human beings in the inner city are willing to sacrifice their freedom to get what they want/need.

    This isn’t about a lack of empathy its about what people would do if they could truly get away with it. If there was no universal retribution and that all of life was truly “free” in the sense of no divine judgment. I can rob a bank without harming you directly. But that is besides the point, point is I’m sure I’ve done more for humanity than you have in your entire life x2.

    I help people every single moment. My profession daily is about helping people. I continue to help people, but your response is the reason why I left religion especially Christianity. People instead of getting to know the person are too stupid and blinded by their own fervor.
     
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  20. Epic Beard Man

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    How am I any different from the person that recycles? I find it sad people don’t care for this planet so what motivates them to clean up is to get a monetary reward. Perhaps the soul itself is a tabula rasa, and if that is true nobody is born good or evil. We are shaped by our surroundings and grounded by authority.

    I don’t see how me saying what makes me moral is God. How is that bad? Bank corporations rob people all the time. We don’t live in a society where there is an equal distribution of wealth. We don’t live in a meritocracy, or a society that values right and wrong action. We are rewarded and because of a monetary reward and a monetary system we live in do you really think people would do the things they do if it was for free?

    Do you think cops would help you if they weren’t getting paid? Or an EMT? Or a physician if none of it was financially rewarding? If I’m living in the street with no food to put in my stomach do you think if I was able to be armed with an M4A1 with body armor, a driver and an ill-equipped small bank that most people wouldn’t do it and would get away if they knew there was no repricussion behind it?

    Your worldview is mighty naive.
     
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