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What would the world look like if religions became friends?

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Sociology of religion.

Brother, even atheism is dragged into motivation. So is religion. But predominantly its money and power. Sometimes even simple personal hatred because one bride was someone elses girlfriend earlier. This is the history of wars in the world.

If you want to drop a bomb killing 200,000 people and you bless the bomb, peace between religions will not stop you. You wish to drop it anyway.

I agree humanity will never be perfect but we can improve things by putting people above money and power. People need to come first and that is the struggle in life to have this be governments and religions guiding principle. It can never be over emphasised and needs to continue to be promoted that we must put people first. I believe the time will come when humanity matures a bit more and the betterment of the world will become more important than money and power.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What, I've encountered all this before. Now let me think, oh, I got it now!!

They are only trying to CONVERT you! And so long as you keep going to their church services and listen to them telling you over, and over, and over... about THEIR Catholic religion, they will be your "friends".

And if you doubt what I'm saying, then tell them that you do not want to go to THEIR church services or talk about religion anymore, and see how quickly they discard you.

I already believe in Jesus and the Bible as the Word of God so there’s nothing to convert me to. I myself have initiated all church visits by requesting to visit.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
That was well expressed. We do indeed rub shoulders with people of all faiths in our day to day life...at work, at school, at the mall and there is no conflict because our religion does not matter in these places. We are just people interacting in fairly neutral territory. What matters is that a person's religion is their business, and we can speak of religious matters with religiously minded ones if they wish, and even debate the differences among us.....and we can express disappointment towards those who are not living up to the label they wear because it gives our faith a bad name.

That's a better spin on it than I would have stated. As from my experience it's more that most people just avoid talking about their own religion in public. Well, except for some of the Christians and the JWs who don't abide by any public place "truce".

Nothing pulls a religion down more than hypocrites who wear their religion as a banner and use it as an excuse to create ill-will with others. Most especially is this so when some have fled their country because of persecution and then used their religion to create division in the country that adopted them. It chafes a lot of people.

I think this division is inherent in all religions that I know of. Most of the religious doctrines are all about division and exclusiveness, an us "right", them "wrong".

If many believe that there is "ONE GOD" who is the Creator of all, then why are there so many religions in the first place? Does anyone ever ask that question?

I've pondered that most of my life. People would be much better off if ALL the man made religions were wiped off the face of the earth so that ALL people could be free to define their own spiritual paths as they were destined to have before religions came along. Because ALL people have a direct connection to God thru their souls. But evil self serving MAN was invented religions to insert themselves in between God and man, so that they all look to them for "spiritual answers" instead of getting them from God. Always having doctrine designed to cut off everyone's own connection to God thru their own souls. (That's why all religions never go beyond just using the word "soul" and NEVER give anyone even an inkling of what it really even is.)

To my understanding as a Bible believer, we humans are divided over religion because we stepped away from the true religion and the true God right at the very beginning....humans wanted to make up their own religion, in line with their own wants and needs....they created their gods 'in their image' to validate their own chosen course....and humans being humans, many just followed along because they didn't want to go to the bother of reasoning anything out for themselves....they just wanted to be part of the group...to fit in.

"Religion in name only" seems to be the most common form for the majority of people in western society...their parents practiced a religion and they were indoctrinated from infancy to 'perform'...so they were never taught to think for themselves or to question any of it. The thinkers among us couldn't wear that, so we did question, and many were convinced that what they were taught was rubbish, and either ditched their former god(s) altogether, or found it easier to transition into a more comfortable form of worship. One that suited them better. I actually see Baha'i as a religion that just wants everyone to get along and worship whoever they wish because its all the same God at the end of the day. All those "messengers"from different faiths with conflicting messages are all supposedly sent by God......why? Just to confuse us? It presents as a "have your cake and eat it too" faith. Nothing adds up.

We all have choices and we are all free to make them. But religion is divisive, there is no doubt about that.....these sites wouldn't exist if that were not so. But informed choice is the only one that matters.....so how informed are we? These sites help us to form our opinions by being exposed to many points of view.

I wrote some thoughts on this not too long ago. That it always concerned me how easily most everyone just caves in to the brainwashing by whichever religion gets to them first. And how they remain both spiritually and mentally broken ever after. Like in bible study. All the kids saw all kinds of conflicts, errors, falsehoods, etc and pestered the teacher with them. But she kept on hammering in the Christian FEAR mongering of their wrathful "god", how he doesn't like people who think, what will happen to them if they don't comply to his demands, and within about 3 days they were all turned into mindless zombies who meekly submitted to the brainwashing and took it all in, conflicts, errors, and falsehoods, all without question. Most were left spiritually and mentally broken for the rest of their lives. Cut off from the one God, and completely unable to see all the conflicts, errors, and falsehoods of their beliefs. And while ALL religions have different brainwashing methods, the results are pretty much the same.

All those "messengers"from different faiths with conflicting messages are all supposedly sent by God......why? Just to confuse us? It presents as a "have your cake and eat it too" faith. Nothing adds up.

It's nice to see that others get this.

That's another point I keep bring up. How God always gives me answers to me spiritual questions in a clear, concise, and all encompassing manner. So nobody will ever convince me that any of these gobbledygook religious dogmas came from any "god", but could have only come from the mind of man. As these so called "messengers" would also be giving people clear, concise, and all encompassing spiritual answers, and they would ALL be consistent it what they were saying. And another thing the religious zombies never even see, is that none of the religions ever even give anyone any answers on any of the true spiritual matters. Take the Christian religion. There are some 774,746 words in the bible, and their entire religion is based upon "saving" everyone's soul. And the world has suffered some 2,000 years of beatings, torture, destruction of property, slavery, destruction of other religions, killings, etc, etc, etc... all to "save" everyone's soul, and there is not even ONE clear description of what one is! Now you would think that with something so damn important to their "god", there would be PAGES of a detailed description of what a soul is. But instead, there's NOTHING. Because man wrote is all on his own.

IMO, God does not hide from those who genuinely seek him. But many want to squeeze him into the box that they have created for him, rather than squeezing themselves into the box that he created for them.

Understatement there!
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What you say is true and correct. It’s about accepting our diversity that we all think and believe differently. Our common humanity is what unites us not that we must all be or believe the same. It’s being able to accept each other the way we are that will unite us.

Do you get the analogy?

I know it's a lot. I'll try to wrap it so you get the context of the word.

If you have a circle (humanity) and each person (Wiccan, Bahai, Atheist, Hindu, Christian) are outlining this circle.

We are one humanity; one circle. Most people would agree to this.


Point:
There is no one in the center. No foundation.

Problem:
JW, Bahai, Christian, etc say god is in the center. God is the foundation for everyone regardless of how diverse we are.

Conclusion: There is no true diversity with someone in the middle.

My question is:

How do you find peace without anyone in the middle (i.e. god) and without compromising everyone else's and your own beliefs?

Hope that makes more sense?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
My main point is in my other post.

No one is saying no world peace. We're saying no person's god is the foundation of it.

The foundation is our common humanity and is quite easily achieved. Just like we all learned love of country, this is just being extended to see all humanity as our country so accepting all people as citizens of one homeland, Mother Earth.

Without god. That's the point.

No one is saying they don't want peace among diverse people. We agree there.

We are specifically talking about one set of values for all people "in order to have" that peace.

Do you see the difference between world peace without god and world peace with god regardless the differences?

(I think bahai said there was two types of peace?)

Through international solidarity, trade and our international relations a new interconnectedness is joining us together as one human race that wasn’t there in previous ages. Things like the internet are making borders obsolete and turning our world into one country with us all as it’s citizens.

We're not disagreeing there (least I'm not). It's specific to one god as the foundation. This displaces other people's beliefs and morals; that's all we're saying.

How do you reconcile this?
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
My main point is in my other post.

No one is saying no world peace. We're saying no person's god is the foundation of it.



Without god. That's the point.

No one is saying they don't want peace among diverse people. We agree there.

We are specifically talking about one set of values for all people "in order to have" that peace.

Do you see the difference between world peace without god and world peace with god regardless the differences?

(I think bahai said there was two types of peace?)



We're not disagreeing there (least I'm not). It's specific to one god as the foundation. This displaces other people's beliefs and morals; that's all we're saying.

How do you reconcile this?

My understanding is that the foundation of world peace will be recognition of the oneness of humankind. Recognition and acceptance of our common humanity that will transcend race, religion, nationality and so on. Our common humanity is what unites us.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
What was that John Lennon song that basically said that one of the things we need to have peace and live as one is to get rid of religion. But he was a dreamer
The song was "Imagine". On the other part of the thread the point was that the teachings of the Baha'i Faith put their followers close to where they need to be to accept and respect all people regardless of their religion. But because they also believe that the Baha'i Faith has the teachings needed for today, they can believe that the Baha'i Faith makes all other religions obsolete. Liberal minded Baha'is that I've known weren't like that. They did accept people and their religions without trying to change them.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I agree humanity will never be perfect but we can improve things by putting people above money and power. People need to come first and that is the struggle in life to have this be governments and religions guiding principle. It can never be over emphasised and needs to continue to be promoted that we must put people first. I believe the time will come when humanity matures a bit more and the betterment of the world will become more important than money and power.

I agree.

I’d like to add that humanity has improved. We need major justification for many things now as people. We are not just raiding party’s any more.

peace.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
My understanding is that the foundation of world peace will be recognition of the oneness of humankind. Recognition and acceptance of our common humanity that will transcend race, religion, nationality and so on. Our common humanity is what unites us.

Without god?

Also. Isn't there two types of peace in Bahai?
If so, can you have one without the other and call it true peace?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Where you live, do they talk about religion much? In the US, we are swamped by evangelism and proselytizing it's ridiculous. And christians from all sorts who agree to the name or not do not care.

Australia is by and large a very secular country. Not many are interested in religion at all because we are a no nonsense, down to earth people who have no tolerance for things that are not fair dinkum. (genuine) The churches here are pretty much viewed as a waste of time and offer nothing of value to the average Aussie who would rather be down the beach or at the pub downing a few cold ones. :rolleyes:

I see Americans as very 'religious' people, but sadly I see them as blind faith 'performers' with very little Bible knowledge....and lots of gullibility....prime targets for televangelists asking for money. The most common expression offered by Americans to someone in trouble is "I'll pray for you"....like that is supposed to make some kind of magic happen.....but it never does. Don't they notice? Was God busy or on another line or something? If prayers don't work, why do they keep offering them? :shrug:

Popular religion here is the 'rock concert' variety with hand waving and a lot of emotional singing. None of which was promoted by Jesus.
Religion here is whatever you want it to be....as long as it doesn't demand anything of you.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Australia is by and large a very secular country. Not many are interested in religion at all because we are a no nonsense, down to earth people who have no tolerance for things that are not fair dinkum. (genuine) The churches here are pretty much viewed as a waste of time and offer nothing of value to the average Aussie who would rather be down the beach or at the pub downing a few cold ones. :rolleyes:

I see Americans as very 'religious' people, but sadly I see them as blind faith 'performers' with very little Bible knowledge....and lots of gullibility....prime targets for televangelists asking for money. The most common expression offered by Americans to someone in trouble is "I'll pray for you"....like that is supposed to make some kind of magic happen.....but it never does. Don't they notice? Was God busy or on another line or something? If prayers don't work, why do they keep offering them? :shrug:

Popular religion here is the 'rock concert' variety with hand waving and a lot of emotional singing. None of which was promoted by Jesus.
Religion here is whatever you want it to be....as long as it doesn't demand anything of you.

The best I can say to that is god doesn't have levels but focus on growth. I'd ideally say each person regardless what country they are in who follow god are still growing in their faith. Who know who "gets it" more than anyone else other than god?

I've never been outside the US. Down south is more bible belt. If it were more genuine attitude with religion, god and things of that nature won't pop in my mind when they remind me. I'm indifferent and it has no place in my life. However, no one knows I don't know about god. They don't say anything until someone mentions the word its a trigger.

I can say JW is no exclusion to what you are saying. Though, the only two JW I met weren't too pushy about it.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
From what I know, the Baha'is would get rid of the extremes of wealth and poverty. And I would imagine many other things that those on the Right would call "socialism."


Lover, but how do you do this?

Most people would love peace. Over a handful don't see peace by unity but by agreed of diversity (those whose faiths do contradict each other).

When we have charity, we do so in the spirit of humanity not the spirit of unity (one spirit/god/religion).

To have peace, we cannot have god (or Brahma or Pagan gods) as a foundation. Foundation needs to be peace not god, bahaullah, Muhammad, and The Buddha. There are no manifestations because we all respect each other's religions by accepting there are no "old" religions of one period and new religions of today. Religions would include Paganism, Satanism and other religions like Druid and, I don't know, Jainism. More than one foundations (poly foundation?).

Is there another way to find peace without compromising each other's religions (drop the old and encourage the new, for example) to do so?
What was that John Lennon song that basically said that one of the things we need to have peace and live as one is to get rid of religion. But he was a dreamer.

The reality is... a lot of people have moved away from their religions. Others, like you, have spiritual/religious groups that do accept everyone's beliefs. The Baha'is are so close, but they do believe they are new and their laws and teachings are for today... making the old religions obsolete. Can they lighten up about that? I think some can and do. But they are on the liberal side of the Baha'i Faith.
We have to get rid of religious animosity. WE CAN DO IT!!! :)
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
One step forward might be for some not to stick out in society, as displaying their religious beliefs so blatantly even if this is not the intent. I think wearing niqabs and burkas, in an ostensible non-religious society or society having an historically different religion, might be one such, even if it is the norm in countries where such a religion dominates much of society. It often can be seen as an invasion.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
To be friends with people from any religon is not a problem :) but we should avoid mixing each others scripture. Discussion is ok across the relgions
IMO:
There is only 1 problem in the world (of Religions):

Thinking their Religion/Scripture is superior and therefore thinking the other's Religion/Scripture is inferior

Without this mindset there will never even be an issue of mixing each other's Scriptures
People will naturally be interested in your Scripture, because they are genuinely interested in you

Proselytizing, which originates from superiority, means belittling the other. Naturally one is not genuinely interested in such a Scripture/Religion/person
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
What you say is true and correct. It’s about accepting our diversity that we all think and believe differently. Our common humanity is what unites us not that we must all be or believe the same. It’s being able to accept each other the way we are that will unite us.
Right, and therefore, stop quoting Bahaollah. Bahaollah means nothing for the majority of people. You are just a minuscule part of humanity. Don't harbor, don't encourage the tendency of being 'holier than thou'. That will only distance people from you.
I already believe in Jesus and the Bible as the Word of God so there’s nothing to convert me to.
Not the current word of God, because the current word is with Bahaollah. Who do you want to make fool of?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
IMO:
There is only 1 problem in the world (of Religions):

Thinking their Religion/Scripture is superior and therefore thinking the other's Religion/Scripture is inferior

Without this mindset there will never even be an issue of mixing each other's Scriptures
People will naturally be interested in your Scripture, because they are genuinely interested in you

Proselytizing, which originates from superiority, means belittling the other. Naturally one is not genuinely interested in such a Scripture/Religion/person
Maybe you misunderstood my words, I do not say one is better than the other, i say, to gain the best spiritual result out of the teachings it is important to only follow one teaching at the time. if we include many teachings in to our practice, how do we know what teaching we actually follow? And if we were to realize enlightenment, form what teaching did we enlighten? so in my understanding, only one teaching or cultivation path at a time.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
“What would the world look like if the followers of all religions consorted with each other in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship”? (Baha’u’llah) What would it look like on the ground?
I think, that is the only way to Peace in the world (or at least a major step)

This is only possible if people can let go their arrogance to believe that there Religion is superior than other Religions
As long as people hold on to this notion "my Religion is superior" there is no genuine friendliness; just some show
(Of course it's okay to say "For me, my Religion is the best"; as long as you know and think, that it's just for you)
 
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