What would the world be like without religion?

[Jeremiahcp]

So the only thing religion is good for is population control. Good to know.

Well not when it preaches being fruitful and multiple while at the same time preventing homosexuals from adopting their abandoned multiples. I mean, then the gays just go out and have a child with a surrogate mother and more cabbages are added to this increasingly overcrowded world, with too many of the cabbages that are already here forgotten about.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

That would be the point though, the vast majority of free thinking humanity has always been skeptical of atheism. It's human nature. Atheism has only gained supremacy where other beliefs have been oppressed on a pretty large scale- so I'm not sure how the two could be separated in practice?

Don't care. I know you hate atheism and I know you want to rant about it, but you are off topic and I really do not care about your opinion on the matter.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That would be the point though, the vast majority of free thinking humanity has always been skeptical of atheism. It's human nature. Atheism has only gained supremacy where other beliefs have been oppressed on a pretty large scale- so I'm not sure how the two could be separated in practice?

Once again, there are more people who don't believe in God than do in both Norway and Japan. Where is the suppression?
The country where most people don't believe in God

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Don't care. I know you hate atheism and I know you want to rant about it, but you are off topic and I really do not care about your opinion on the matter.

Not at all, I used to be one and I know and love many. I just don't believe in it anymore

I though the topic was about what an atheist world would look like?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Not at all, I used to be one and I know and love many.

I though the topic was about what an atheist world would look like?

Without religion there is no such thing as atheists or theists; that superficial division would not exist.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Once again, there are more people who don't believe in God than do in both Norway and Japan. Where is the suppression?
The country where most people don't believe in God

Much of the area I live in in the Midwest was settled by Scandinavians fleeing religious oppression, Japan is an outlier in many cultural ways but also had a lot of religious oppression, officially granting freedom in the mid 20th C

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The Japan Militant Atheists Alliance (Nihon Sentoteki Mushinronsha Domei, also known as Senmu) was founded in September 1931 by a group of antireligious people. The alliance opposed the idea of kokutai, the nation's founding myth, the presence of religion in public education, and the practice of State Shinto. Their greatest opposition was towards the imperial system of Japan.[63]

Two months later, in November 1931, socialist Toshihiko Sakai and Communist Takatsu Seido created the Japan Anti-religion Alliance (Nihon Hanshukyo Domei). They opposed "contributions to religious organizations, prayers for practical benefits (kito), preaching in factories, and the religious organizations of all stripes" and viewed religion as a tool used by the upper class to suppress laborers and farmers.[63]

most of the church in Europe is state run in one way or another, interestingly "A bill passed in 2016 and effective as of 1 January 2017 created the Church of Norway as an independent legal entity"

According to Gallup, atheism is 26% in Norway, the least religious country in Europe yes

But as religious freedom returns, faith does also, just as in Russia, and China and hopefully one day N Korea

church membership 2009 -2013 in Norway

Catholic church +111%

Orthodox +69%

total growth of all religions= 5.3%

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Much of the area I live in in the Midwest was settled by Scandinavians fleeing religious oppression, Japan is an outlier in many cultural ways but also had a lot of religious oppression, officially granting freedom in the mid 20th C

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The Japan Militant Atheists Alliance (Nihon Sentoteki Mushinronsha Domei, also known as Senmu) was founded in September 1931 by a group of antireligious people. The alliance opposed the idea of kokutai, the nation's founding myth, the presence of religion in public education, and the practice of State Shinto. Their greatest opposition was towards the imperial system of Japan.[63]

Two months later, in November 1931, socialist Toshihiko Sakai and Communist Takatsu Seido created the Japan Anti-religion Alliance (Nihon Hanshukyo Domei). They opposed "contributions to religious organizations, prayers for practical benefits (kito), preaching in factories, and the religious organizations of all stripes" and viewed religion as a tool used by the upper class to suppress laborers and farmers.[63]

most of the church in Europe is state run in one way or another, interestingly "A bill passed in 2016 and effective as of 1 January 2017 created the Church of Norway as an independent legal entity"

According to Gallup, atheism is 26% in Norway, the least religious country in Europe yes

But as religious freedom returns, faith does also, just as in Russia, and China and hopefully one day N Korea

church membership 2009 -2013 in Norway

Catholic church +111%

Orthodox +69%

total growth of all religions= 5.3%

So you have to resort to a tiny minority no more significant than Athiest+ to call 'oppression,' and Scandanavian religious oppression BY Christians AGAINST other Christians as oppression. Gotcha.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

So you have to resort to a tiny minority no more significant than Athiest+ to call 'oppression,' and Scandanavian religious oppression BY Christians AGAINST other Christians as oppression. Gotcha.

There is/ has obviously been a lot of oppression of religion from many sources around the world

Ultimately though, do you think it is coincidence, that the country with the greatest history of religious freedom in the world, is so notable for it's high level of religiosity compared with others, especially developed countries with long histories of oppression?

 

[LuisDantas]

There is/ has obviously been a lot of oppression of religion from many sources around the world

Ultimately though, do you think it is coincidence, that the country with the greatest history of religious freedom in the world, is so notable for it's high level of religiosity compared with others, especially developed countries with long histories of oppression?

I don't know which of the scandinavian countries you are thinking about, but word has it that they are far less religious than the number of nominal members of their national christian churches would indicate at first glance.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

There is/ has obviously been a lot of oppression of religion from many sources around the world

Ultimately though, do you think it is coincidence, that the country with the greatest history of religious freedom in the world, is so notable for it's high level of religiosity compared with others, especially developed countries with long histories of oppression?

I don't count the USA as the 'greatest history of religious freedom'. I honestly think it's a boast it cannot actually substantiate. Kind of like most freedoms the USA proclaims to be the 'best' at. The reality of it is that the USA had Catholic oppression just like most of Western Europe. It had a great deal of anti-semetic thinking during WW2 and even sympathized with Germany's 'Jew problem,' (words of the president himself.) The USA had blasphemy laws. There's even laws on the books still (though unenforcable at this point) forbidding atheists from holding office.
Also, I think the USA's high amount of religiosity is more tied to its low (for a first world nation) education, as that corresponds better to actual data on religiosity vs secularism in first world nations.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I don't count the USA as the 'greatest history of religious freedom'. I honestly think it's a boast it cannot actually substantiate. Kind of like most freedoms the USA proclaims to be the 'best' at. Also, I think the USA's high amount of religiosity is more tied to its low (for a first world nation) education, as that corresponds better to actual data on religiosity vs secularism in first world nations.

All I can say is that the millions who risked their lives for the freedoms we get to take for granted today, would disagree with you

 

[ADigitalArtist]

All I can say is that the millions who risked their lives for the freedoms we get to take for granted today, would disagree with you

And I can say that appeal to 'da troops' is a weak emotional appeal, and usually has very little to do with securing freedoms and more to do with Western interference, securing ill gotten resources, stirring nationalistic pride by low-rated leaders, and modern imperialism.

 

[LuisDantas]

All I can say is that the millions who risked their lives for the freedoms we get to take for granted today, would disagree with you

Would they? Or do you simply want to believe that they would?

Also, who would those people be exactly? Are you perhaps forgetting to give due credit to the many, many men from Stalin's Russia that fought in WW2?

 

[England my lionheart]

IMO,the world would be still be in the same shape,religion is a great catalyst for doing terrible horrific things but its sibling politics is too so I would guess not much will change.
After all both are about power and both related by humans.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Would they? Or do you simply want to believe that they would?

Also, who would those people be exactly? Are you perhaps forgetting to give due credit to the many, many men from Stalin's Russia that fought in WW2?

not just those that fought, those that risked their lives escaping socialist states like Stalin's Russia.

I'm all for the freedom to openly believe in any God you like, or atheism if you prefer, without politicians getting involved either way, can we not at least agree on this?

 

[jonathan180iq]

What do you think the world would be like without religion? Please explain.

Exactly the same as it is now...

Humans invented all of it. If we didn't do ****ty things to each other because of religious motivations we'd do it for some other asinine reason.

 

[Segev Moran]

What do you think the world would be like without religion? Please explain.

This question should be more clear...
A world without religion starting from today... everybody becomes instantly an atheist?
Or a world without religion in the entire course of human kind?

What do you define as religion? the concept of spirituality and mysticism? or the organized religions only?

Assuming you mean that our brains had no ability to invent ideas beyond the physical reality they encounter, we would probably still be in a very very non technological era.

Assuming you mean only organized religion, i think religious communities would prosper.
A more self religions will be invented that require no authority (including god)
People would be more open to opinions and ideas
People would not use their religion as an excuse for wrong behaviors.
I think the organized religion would be replaced with social organization authorities that will probably be similar to religions but with no direct connection to spirituality.

If you meant that one day the entire concept of spirituality and religion would disappear from every human's brain but it will have no effect on the rest of his "self", i can assume everything will be pretty much the same

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yep, circular like a flat pizza pie. No sphere shape.
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I have also heard as flat as a pancake. There is a Hebrew word chug or hhug as used at Job 22:14; Isaiah 40:22.
That word has been translated into English at vault. A vault is Not flat. Also translated as sphere. A sphere is Not flat, as Earth is an oblate spheroid. Also, Proverbs 8:27 speaks of the horizon. ( KJV uses the word compass ) The horizon has a circular bend to it. The word rotund also matches and that is where the Rotunda building got its name.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

What do you think the world would be like without religion? Please explain.

The question should be, what would the world be like without irrational religions. People will always wonder where the universe came from and what happens to us if we die. But too many people want the answers they want to hear, and nobody wants to hear that nobody knows and probably never will. It's all mumbo jumbo for millennia from there.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

IMO,the world would be still be in the same shape,religion is a great catalyst for doing terrible horrific things but its sibling politics is too so I would guess not much will change.
After all both are about power and both related by humans.

Yes, this religious world is a great catalyst because the corrupted religious is wedded to the political ' kings ' rulers.
The world's religions thinks that she sits as some sort of religious ' queen '. ( Rev. 17:1-2; 18:7,9 )
She would like to make public policy with the political world by having a union of church and state even to the point of crowning or dethroning rulers, and by wrongly meddling in world affairs the religions causes attention to themselves.
The United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today world. That anti-religious atmosphere is growing in feelings and attitudes. With backing the U.N. can be strengthened to turn on the religious world. Trouble-causing religion has put herself on the U.N. radar, and until the political turns on the religious there is No hope that rationality and reason will return to humanity.