All the chat and dispute about belief and claims misses one crucial point:
- You must first agree what it is being believed or claimed and argue from the same level
If an atheist and a Christian and a Muslim have a debate, there will NEVER be a final outcome except that the three will agree to disagree with each other.
Why is that... it’s simply because the platforms are not the same...
Now, a Christian vs Christian debate comes a little closer to a possible resolution (though a straight out debate is never meant to bring a resolution!!!) - Why? Because at least they are arguing on the same CHRISTIAN platform with the SAME SCRIPTURAL belief (but possibly different claims - else why are they debating!!)
And, Catholics rarely debate with Catholics... they support each other... and that’s the problem... yes, the problem!!! No one sees the FALLACY of what is being touted as CHRISTIAN. It’s false BELIEF because CATHOLICISM is not CHRISTIAN... it’s only TOUTED as Christian.
And there is trinitarianism... oh dear... It’s classed as CHRISTIAN but where in Christianity is it said that the RULING ALMIGHTY GOD: the FATHER, is THREE PERSONS???
Isn’t that PAGANISM???
It doesn’t even make basic sense... it says that ‘GOD’ is three persons but also that ‘GOD’ is ‘ESSENCE’ (which no one can define!).
Now think about that: if God is ESSENCE AND the three persons ARE GOD .... oh, they’re not??? They SHARE the ESSENCE (which is God)!!! The three SHARE something that makes them what they are...!!!
But again, my three fish SHARE the water in which they swim... the water is CONTAINED in a fishbowl...
So the three fish, taking the trinity analogy, ARE WATER... or are they ‘FISH BOWL‘ ??? Not sure...!!
The three persons are GOD because they share the ESSENCE which is GOD... ????
Confused.... you should be!!!
Suppose there is ONLY ONE PERSON WHO IS GOD.., GOD, meaning ‘RULER’...?!
Makes sense: ‘Hear o Israel, YHWH your RULER is your ONLY RULER’
Why? The Jews were surrounded and among pagans who believed their WORSHIPFUL RULERS were MANY PERSONS... each person with a name the ‘GOD’ was referred to by.
The Israelite’s ‘God’ said there was no other ruler besides him.. he must be their ONLY WORSHIPFUL GOD...
But you see the word that prefaces ‘God’.. ‘Worshipful’? Whg is that important..?
‘God’ means ‘Ruler’ (as well as...) and THERE ARE MANY RULERS but the Israelites are to WORSHIP only this ONE and only DEITY (Spirit Ruler)
- ‘For though there are Gods and Lords aplenty, to us there is only one God: the Father, and one Lord: Jesus Christ’
- ‘For though there are Rulers and Masters aplenty, to us there is only one WORSHIPFUL RULER: the Father, and one MASTER: Jesus Christ’
- Because: ‘I am the WORSHIPFUL RULER over All whom are called rulers’ (says YHWH)
Debate done!!!