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What would Christains do if Jesus returned tomorrow and proclaimed himself a Muslim?
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
What would Muslims do if God came down in human form -- as Jesus -- tomorrow? Would they run to their Imam for comfort, or would they bow down and submit?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What if god came down and declared himself an atheist, and then blinked out of existence?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Then we'd have to put God into therapy with Mr. Rogers until God believed in himself...
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I am assuming that you are talking about Terry "Let's burn a Qur'an" Jones. Considering the man has virtually no followers I don't think people would flock to him unless they had press credentials, of course.
Well, I can hardly be described as religious, let alone a fundamentalist, but if someone claiming to be Jesus "came down" and proclaimed himself a Muslim, I would not submit to Islam. I might break out laughing though, shake my head and then go feed the deer that come to visit. At least I know they are not crazy,
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I think the answer to the underlying question of the OP (do people worship religion more than god?) is true in the vast majority of cases.
PhAA
Grand Master
He suddenly appears? Wouldn't that make him a god or something?
An Atheist with magic powers. lolThe fact that he is human, why would they submit?
Yeah, nearly everybody who has ever claimed to be the "second coming" of Jesus was off his rocker. It would be entertaining to see such a scenario play out though.
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Implying, of course, that there were some who made the claim who were not off their rocker...
punkdbass
I will be what I will be
Jesus was Jewish lol.
As for answering your question, I talked to an Evangelical Christian fundamentalist the other day for about about an hour and a half. I explained to him why we Jews do not accept Jesus as our Messiah and he tried to explain how Jesus is the messiah. But he told me several times that if I am indeed right that Jesus is a false messiah, then that means that he is following a "false religion" - he called it(not sure I believe in the concept of "false religions") - and that he would suffer the consequences for it in the afterlife (he also told me that if he is right that, well... Im sure you can guess what he said) But anyways I thought it was interesting that he said this despite being a fundamentalist who without a doubt believed his religion was the only correct path. But anyways, if Jesus did return and say that he is Muslim, I think its safe to say that Christians - who want to be like Christ - would convert to Islam? And that Christian fundamentalists such as the man I talked to might think that they were following a false religion and convert as well? I dont know.. kind of a silly question but thats my 2 cents.
As for answering your question, I talked to an Evangelical Christian fundamentalist the other day for about about an hour and a half. I explained to him why we Jews do not accept Jesus as our Messiah and he tried to explain how Jesus is the messiah. But he told me several times that if I am indeed right that Jesus is a false messiah, then that means that he is following a "false religion" - he called it(not sure I believe in the concept of "false religions") - and that he would suffer the consequences for it in the afterlife (he also told me that if he is right that, well... Im sure you can guess what he said) But anyways I thought it was interesting that he said this despite being a fundamentalist who without a doubt believed his religion was the only correct path. But anyways, if Jesus did return and say that he is Muslim, I think its safe to say that Christians - who want to be like Christ - would convert to Islam? And that Christian fundamentalists such as the man I talked to might think that they were following a false religion and convert as well? I dont know.. kind of a silly question but thats my 2 cents.
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Some would convert to Islam, others would consider him to be an impostor. If God came down and said he was Jesus tomorrow, some Muslims would convert to Christianity, others would consider him to be an impostor.
People generally worship their religions more than their gods, in my opinion. We'd like to think otherwise--but is it true? I'm sceptical.
People generally worship their religions more than their gods, in my opinion. We'd like to think otherwise--but is it true? I'm sceptical.
punkdbass
I will be what I will be
I couldn't agree more, for without a doubt you would be right. I agree that some of us worship our religions more than our gods, thus some of us fail to see the true teachings and are blind to the bigger picture. But thats just my opinion
Gloone
Well-Known Member
Nothing, because that would never happen.
Salaam friends,
As some have already written here, it is most certainly true that there are those who follow the path and there are those who worship religions.
Here are some stories about cases similar to the question and subsequent counter-question. Perhaps the stories will help consider the key points in this sort of question.
When Muhammad (pbuh) was praying, he originally faced towards Jerusalem. One day, he was instructed to turn and face towards Mecca in the middle of prayers. This single simple action divided his followers. Some turned and others did not, would not, could not.
Secondly, if Isa or Jesus (pbuh) returned today, many in Islam would be happy because this is what is fortold in the final days as they have learned it. The Qur'an describes Joseph (pbuh) and other prophets as being muslims. It would not be strange to many who are muslims if Jesus is the one to return. This is a hard point for some Christians to understand. Their religion is to Islam as Judiasm is to Christianity. What Christian would reject Moses if he showed up at the door? Again, some would and some wouldn't.
Third, when Baha'u'llah was forced to leave a city he recorded that the Christians cried and the Muslims cried, but the Christians cried a bit harder. Most interesting that.
Lastly, a proper story. There was a muslim who was proud of his devotion and separation from the world. He heard of a man who had no name. This no-named man was supposed to be truly spiritual. So the muslim went to seek him out so he could demonstrate his learning and accomplishments. Finally, after many days of seeking, an meeting was arranged.
As the meeting was about to begin, the servant of the one with no name offered them tea and shut the door. The muslim bragged that his degree of separation from the world and depth of learning was so great that if Jesus himself knocked on the door he would feel no need to answer as nothing more was left to be learned.
After listening, the one with no name told of a dream. What if I told you that last night I had a dream? he said. In that dream I saw a dozen of the Shah's executioners coming to bring you to him. I saw them knocking on the door.
At that moment, there was a knock on the door. The muslim lept up and opened it quickly. Are you ready for me to remove the tea cups? asked the servant.
wa salaam,
sirat
As some have already written here, it is most certainly true that there are those who follow the path and there are those who worship religions.
Here are some stories about cases similar to the question and subsequent counter-question. Perhaps the stories will help consider the key points in this sort of question.
When Muhammad (pbuh) was praying, he originally faced towards Jerusalem. One day, he was instructed to turn and face towards Mecca in the middle of prayers. This single simple action divided his followers. Some turned and others did not, would not, could not.
Secondly, if Isa or Jesus (pbuh) returned today, many in Islam would be happy because this is what is fortold in the final days as they have learned it. The Qur'an describes Joseph (pbuh) and other prophets as being muslims. It would not be strange to many who are muslims if Jesus is the one to return. This is a hard point for some Christians to understand. Their religion is to Islam as Judiasm is to Christianity. What Christian would reject Moses if he showed up at the door? Again, some would and some wouldn't.
Third, when Baha'u'llah was forced to leave a city he recorded that the Christians cried and the Muslims cried, but the Christians cried a bit harder. Most interesting that.
Lastly, a proper story. There was a muslim who was proud of his devotion and separation from the world. He heard of a man who had no name. This no-named man was supposed to be truly spiritual. So the muslim went to seek him out so he could demonstrate his learning and accomplishments. Finally, after many days of seeking, an meeting was arranged.
As the meeting was about to begin, the servant of the one with no name offered them tea and shut the door. The muslim bragged that his degree of separation from the world and depth of learning was so great that if Jesus himself knocked on the door he would feel no need to answer as nothing more was left to be learned.
After listening, the one with no name told of a dream. What if I told you that last night I had a dream? he said. In that dream I saw a dozen of the Shah's executioners coming to bring you to him. I saw them knocking on the door.
At that moment, there was a knock on the door. The muslim lept up and opened it quickly. Are you ready for me to remove the tea cups? asked the servant.
wa salaam,
sirat
PhAA
Grand Master
Yeah, that's pretty much it. People care more for religion, rejecting any other that counters it.
Implying, of course, that there were some who made the claim who were not off their rocker...
Not all of them are crazy. Some are shysters and and charlatans. Apollo Quiboloy, for example.
I was thinking Jesus would be more suited for Scientology.
InvestigateTruth
Well-Known Member
How would people recognize that he is actually return of christ?
The first time that jesus came as the promised messiah, they didn't recognize him. why would it be any easier for them to recognize him the second time?
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