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Featured What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by loverofhumanity, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Trailblazer

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    The Bible says that the Anti-Christ: 1. Denies that Jesus is the Christ. (1 John 2:22) 2. Denies the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:23) 3. Denies that Jesus came in the flesh and cleaned us of sin. (1 John 4:2, 3; 1 John 1:6-8; ) 4. Is equated with deceivers and linked with false prophets. (1 John 4:1) 5. Is already in the world during the writing of the epistles of John (100 AD). (1 John 4:3) 6. Is a former Christian. (1 John 2:19)

    Baha’u’llah did none of these things so He cannot be the Anti-Christ.
     
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    The thing is wizanda, the battle is in your own self.

    The fruit is winning the battle to become a loving and all embracing soul, with no predudices.

    The battle is to find what is FROM God and what is it that is our own ideas.

    Regards Tony
     
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  3. wizanda

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    It doesn't unify them though, it corrupts the previous revelations, and this can be clearly shown.
    Because you just declared you don't read them in the previous post, because they've all been abrogated....

    The Muhammadans also do this, when their text specifically stated not to make distinction among the messengers.

    4:150-151 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

    Baha’u’llah means the 'glory of God', and he claims he was Yeshua's father; when Yeshua's father is the God Most High the Source of reality.

    Sorry to say, yet he made a mess of context in numerous places, overwriting ideas with out understanding them properly.
    That there have been bad methods in exegesis, so to understand what is being stated in full, we have to use Esword Bible software to be able to see the contexts properly.
    This is like saying education can't educate people as they don't learn better methods, and maths doesn't add up as people find different sums.

    We can show objective patterns in text using software now, and detail advanced cases of data, we just need people to be smarter.
    Every aspect of every part of the case can be shown, like sums on an algebra board; we can show interlinking passages, and details to substantiate who is right legally speaking.

    As for authority, we can also prove I've been born with a much more advanced name across all the religions than Baha'u'llah gave himself....

    Yet in terms of legitimacy of the case, I'd rather deal with everything legally speaking; like in the past I've literally been to solicitors to make a case against the Gospel of John for the deformation of character - they asked "who I'd sue".

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    That is an opinion that is all yours wizanda. One where I see I am to leave you with that opinion.

    Have a great life, stay happy, Regards Tony
     
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  5. Trailblazer

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    Go right ahead but bear in mind that adding fuel to the fire only makes it burn brighter. The slanderer’s work has always been the cause of guiding men to a discovery of the truth.

    No calumnies ever succeeded in putting out the Light of God. In spite of all the efforts of those who believe that religion is their own private property the Sun of Truth always shone forth from the horizon. Those who tried to put out the Light of God that shone through Moses, Jesus and Muhammad never succeeded in their efforts. Now history repeats itself with Baha'ullah. ON CALUMNY
    Baha'u'llah never made any such claim. He claimed to be the return of the Spirit of Jesus who Jesus promised to send from the Father, another Comforter and the Spirit of Truth.

    John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

    John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for hedwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
     
  6. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    I didn't make up the world's religious texts; the Source of our reality did.... Plus personally think there is poetic beauty in what it has done, not sure why others argue it doesn't make sense?

    Sanananda, Sananda, Skanda, Ananda, Zend, Zen, etc...
    We shouldn't war with our self, try making peace with our self; it is then easier to work on clearing the shadows, to become light again.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    The Gospel of John is purposely made up by the Sanhedrin, where we can show over 30 contradictions in testimony, and character phraseology, etc.

    The idea someone would build on the bad theology of the Pharisees (John, Paul, Simon), shows they don't know Christ or the Bible.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Do you mean it disagrees with what you believe they mean? Go ahead and try to show any corruption.
    That does not mean I never read anything. I have read enough to know what they teach.
    The Baha’is are on the same page as the Muslims. The only difference is that we do not believe that Muhammad was “the last prophet.”
    Show me where Baha’u’llah ever claimed that in His Writings.
    Do you mean that Baha’u’llah, a Manifestation of God, did not understand them the way you do?
    It means that it is your way or the highway.
    I never said that education can't educate people since they don't learn.
    I said that everyone thinks they know what the Bible means and nobody is ever going to agree.
    In other words, you have all the answers.
    Go ahead and try to prove that.
     
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    No, God did not write the world's religious texts, men wrote them, and there is no real reason to believe they are the actual Word of God so it is just a belief many hold.
     
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    Jesus never promised to come back to earth. He said His work was finished here, He was no more in the world and He was going to the Father. You can try to interpret verses to mean what you want them to mean but that will not change reality.

    "This same Jesus" does not mean the same BODY of Jesus, it means the same spirit of Jesus. "I will come again" does not refer to the same BODY of Jesus, it refers to the same spirit of Jesus. The same body of Jesus could never come back because Jesus died on the cross at which time His soul ascended to heaven to the right hand of God and took on a spiritual body made up of spiritual elements that exist in the spiritual realm (heaven).

    Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.


    Did anyone ever wonder why Jesus did not say “And then shall they see me coming in the clouds with great power and glory?” Not once in the entire NT did Jesus ever say He was coming back to earth. Christians just want it to be Jesus so they interpret verses to mean they are about Jesus when they are not. And if Jesus was coming back to earth, where is He? The prophecies have been fulfilled and still no Jesus.

    Why would Jesus keep it a secret if He had been planning to return to earth? Why did Jesus say His work was finished here (John 17:4) and He was no more in the world (John 17:11) if He was planning to return to earth? Why did Jesus say “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36) if He was planning to come back and build a kingdom on earth? When asked if He was a king, why did Jesus say explain to Pilate “To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth” (John 18:37) if Jesus was coming back to rule as a king, as Christians believe? Jesus fulfilled His purpose by bearing witness to the truth about God, so there is no reason for Jesus to return to earth a second time. These verses are clues that tell us that Jesus was never planning to return to earth to rule and build the Kingdom of God, and that means that the Messiah who would accomplish this has to be another man.

    The title ‘Son of man’ is symbolic of the perfect humanity that Jesus represented, but it does not apply exclusively to Jesus. It ultimately comes from the Book of Daniel, where it refers to the Messiah. It is a Baha’i teaching that the title applies to both Jesus and Baha’u’llah.

    To explain in brief, I believe that ‘Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven’ means that the return of the Christ Spirit promised in the Bible will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God, and will appear in the form of a human being. The term “heaven” means loftiness and exaltation. Although Jesus was delivered from the womb of His mother, in reality He descended from the heaven of the will of God. Though dwelling on this earth, His true habitation was the realms above. While walking among mortals on earth, Jesus soared in the heaven of the divine presence.

    But I know that what I believe does not matter to Christians. Most Christians will keep waiting for Jesus to return to earth until the day they die and see Jesus in heaven, because that is what the Church has taught them, not because Jesus ever promised to return..
     
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    Everything in our reality is here because the Source manifests it, where the Source inspired men to write the texts.
    There are certain contexts in the Bible that are a Snare to catch out demons, he hasn't understood these.
    I've had lots of experiences, and studied a bit; yet please show me where there are errors, I've always got great faith I do not know.
    'Bahá’u’lláh repeatedly refers to Himself as the manifestation of the Father, of whom Christ and Isaiah spoke, whereas Christ always referred to Himself as the Son'

    Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 214-216

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Even if that is true, that is NO guarantee those texts were inerrant.
    A Manifestation of God is not God, He manifests God.

    Every Manifestation of God is a mirror of God, reflecting God’s Self, God’s Beauty, God’s Might and Glory. All other human beings are to be regarded as mirrors capable of reflecting the glory of these Manifestations Who are themselves the Primary Mirrors of the Divine Being.

    Jesus was also a Manifestation of God:

    1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

    16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
     
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    May I ask what you consider Experience in the case of spiritual/religious wisdom or understanding?
    The question arises because sometimes you write something that does not hold a lot of wisdom and since you earlier claimed to be someone(avatar, God, Jesus or so) with very high wisdom, it seems a little out of place what you say. (do not take this as a critique of you as a person, it is only a question with no judgment )
     
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    When I was 4-5 years old I'd fallen asleep in my tree den in the old graveyard next to where we lived in the countryside...

    A sage, a monk, and a nobleman came up to me in my sleep, and asked "why I was so bright", I replied because "I've just come from Heaven", they were like "where is that?", and so I pointed them upwards in the afterlife, as they'd been lying there since the 14th century, being eaten by worms.

    Thus have always known since youth I was an avatar, with my name in the world's religious texts, and have waited to study the texts to see if it aligned with what I was told, and knew complex details about the Bible in musical algorithm, more than textual contexts as I do now.

    At 15 the whole of reality became one voice, explained global eschatology, and was told read the religions to verify what I was told.

    At 21 had an experience playing the I-Ching on the drum in vision, which opened the Book of Life. Then we all got called to a sacred mountain Atlantis - Ibiza, which is said to be a door way to Heaven by many ancient cultures (which i didn't know at the time), fulfilled Revelation 10 there, and 3 years later I read the Bible properly to realize I've already fulfilled parts of it.

    At 21 in the autumn left my body in a NDE, experienced the Tree of Life, Hell, and Heaven, with tons of things I had no clue about before the experience.

    Since then I'm always getting miracles happen through the Source educating us about reality, been taught many advanced things in religious texts, had visions where Lao Tzu and the Caretaker have corrected me on Lao Tzu's errors (as I thought he made none), have prophetic dreams, etc, learning to connect to the Source through all forms of Yoga, and learning how to manifest reality.
    What appears simple for children in a very basic format, doesn't mean it is foolish...

    There are 42,000 denominations of Christianity due to complexities.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I not going to argue with you about if it is real or not, but you do know that kids have a very good imagination when it comes to dreams too.
    By the way, you told the same story many times in the forum, so I guess you really believe that you are all these people. But if you have powers to save the world, why not do it before it is too late?
    You once said you wanting to see how people are taking your message. (would an enlighten master doubt him self? )
     
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    It isn't my message the Source told us, the religious texts are a Snare to catch out demons (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5, Isaiah 28, Isaiah 29:9-19, etc), all the Saints have been removed from this realm (Revelation 6:9-11), and the arrogant demons are left down here to see if they will study (Bhagavad Gita 16).
    I don't have the power to convert dumb demons into enlightened saints without recoding them; which is prophesied at the end, if we fail talking to them.

    There are numerous options on us saving the world, yet each takes all people (Armageddon - a mountain of people gathered) listening, and currently I have no hope left in people, which is why your name means 'hope'.

    When you ask for wisdom by the way, do you get no one in two thousand years noticed Simon was called the stone (peter), fulfilling Zechariah 3:9, that a stone laid before Yehoshua is an item specific term.

    Also hardly anyone has noticed the Gospel of John is made up, and only advanced theologians have noticed Paul is Antichrist's teachings.

    Now fair enough in terms of me offering advanced wisdom within metaphysics, we're on basics with this stuff, yet it needs to be fixed, else we all die in the Great Tribulation...

    Plus this deep understanding how Christians turn Yeshua into an idol, when Divine Representatives should be understood, not adored to be followed.

    The world currently has many people playing follow the Leader, and our topic here is on a similar grounds; we need people to become Leaders, to stop allowing their sacred power to be squandered on evil, because they don't take control of their own destiny.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Thank you for your answer Wizanda :)
     
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    The plan by the way, is Neo breaking into a Smith virus controlled world, to see if any players recognize they're gamers inside the Matrix - before it gets reset.

    Many people are so clerically intelligent in the Matrix, they observe, yet don't see the whole, and thus miss the calculations already given to them.

    The Source shows Neo where the computations are faulty, and yet the Smith Viruses (Pharisees) carry on regardless; I've got no fear of the outcomes, I'm just observant, and sit testing the whole.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    And how do you know this from innate knowledge? Because they all say what you’re saying that they have the original according to their interpretation of the Bible. Unless you’re a Prophet with infallible knowledge you could be just as wrong as they are. No amount of self assurance or strong conviction means one has truth.
     
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