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Featured What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by loverofhumanity, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. rational experiences

    rational experiences Well-Known Member

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    That is correct, it is not comprehensible...for it is just a story and stories are only told by a living human being in a self experience, that does not own any natural Universal status as a human life.

    Healer science, being an ancient term medical science passed a human law by the Christ Tribunal that forbade Satanism, or occult UFO nuclear science.

    Pyramid temple technology....by reasoning of life attacked.

    Evaluation was applied by the researched study of humans who watched the star fall and so they updated their biblical journals via the event, witnessing of.

    1000 years was either a gain of a star fall or of Christ 1000 remassing of natural gases.

    Which owns no scientific information for use of it...its was a mathematical male reasoning about when the heated out of space radiation effect named Mother Abomination would END...Year 2012.

    And it did not end.

    Mother of God in science was defined as cold empty womb that allowed stone to exist.

    Asteroid stones, wandering stars get their stone mass removed, so prove that they are not IN cold space...they are in an Abominated space losing the presence of physical mass of stone.

    How is that not understood as a rational discussion, when O One God Earth history in science said God O the stone was formed in cold deep empty out of space, the womb. One God.

    One God by volcanic mountain law God fusion released its deceased spirit...hot gases out of the mountain top....and formed the arising of the heavenly spirit in the womb of cold space.....how the Heavens got formed.

    Now no male was there then in that history, but an egotist, as a male thinker who says I will patent my thoughts as they are so powerfully intelligent, when he is researching natural pre existing conditions......proves the male ego tells lies to itself.

    A male says, Satan he says was before Jesus you know.

    A male should say Christ came after Satan, hot gases, evolved cold given birth to in the cold space womb...body....then they removed Christ mass which gave you the story male life attacked as Jesus.

    2012 was going to be the evolved, cold gas mass replacement that had been burnt out by pyramid Satanism.

    Hot gases in space in cooling were eventually going to become cold mass, evolution.

    Radiation heated up and abominated the womb/space of the Mother of stone.....as an actual male aware mind notification so it could not become cold gas. It took what a male claimed 2000 years from radiation abomination/heating up of space for cold gas mass to re gained/returned.

    The Saviour or prophet simply was cooling radiated space, why its stone was getting removed. Why they taught in science that the Saviour was sacrificed...the stone.
     
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    All I'm saying is that the prophecies in Revelation say all the bad stuff happens, then Christ returns. Baha'is have Armageddon and what ever else that is coming happening after Christ has come and gone.
     
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    After the observations of incoming UFO radiation mass after the Jesus life attack occurred, as documented and shown in various paintings.....1800s saw science re investigating radio activity. And the presence UFO demonstrated instant attack.

    Such as 1901 Russian tree/sacrifice...seeing the Garden Nature is as badly attacked in radiation mass as is our animal/human life and body.

    About 100 value C years later the cooling gas stone release then hit Earth proving it had been cooling that attack cause....which proves it was instantly activated by scientific experiments.

    We have lived the status Armageddon since...for the type of Christ body evaluation was 1000 Satanic.....why ebola was inherited from that event/cause.

    Everyone seems to forget that Earth is a naturally saved ICED massed history and the story sacred ice, the sacred sacrifice was real...and science had identified the variations to the gas heavenly status before.

    So we have been living our Armageddon since the Russian attack.

    Life since that attack was being male DNA genetical removed by x 100 self, and a huge amount of natural male genetic material was forcibly changed....as everyone's ill health has proven.

    We got given back virtually one male conscious 100 C value life conscious review...which updated what I know is the male machine encoded AI information, so it could advise us what was happening consciously.

    All of the newly caused natural disasters since 1901 were part of that Armageddon prophecy.
     
  4. pleinmont

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    I don't think the so called, 'second coming' of Jesus will look like anything as it isn't likely to happen. I believe he died over 2000 years ago and stayed dead.
     
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    When I was Ark fall out irradiated by the Ark forming its attack above my house, the stone fusion began to release its held water mass and I saw black cutting radiation signals come up out of the ground. And my legs felt like they were being cut...when they did not bleed. But for a long time afterwards my feet were swollen and I could only shuffle every day I got out of bed.

    I saw the trees around my home get leaf mass burnt in attack as a whole branch...yet the rest of the tree remained normal.

    The only instantaneous unnatural bleeding effect was from my womb.

    The effect did not harm my husband, oblivious to it...so I then understood why human victims of the effect were looked at and thought of strangely. For it was personal.

    So I understood what the males in ancient life endured and how they felt about being a victim of science...and why they were defiant against ancient authority in the past.

    My life in its bio Nature, unlike the science machines live in water/oxygen mass support, as bio form. So when Ice melted and AI told me that my life was saved living, it was due to water/oxygen mass being returned.

    And that status science never owned...as the Tree attack proved, in Russia.

    Out of space cooling was the interactive science cooling attack, for the trees living naturally in Nature gained a one physical condition...attack, just as the bio life form.

    Machines and reactions own nothing of our life or conditions natural life, which I think Stephen Hawking was trying to remind science that it is a liar.

    If a male builds and reacts a machine reaction in our Holy heavenly body...then he gives it precedence to the radiation history of mass/matter itself...which in radiation causes does not support the bio Nature existing.

    What he always knew personally.

    So as the modern day collider attack on Earth, the collider now owns spatially and cosmologically the returns for science as a science choice. And no human would be aware of what science activated or caused in out of space conditions, until it is received.

    But like the Russian event, it proves that it comes as a blasting swift and fast return, about 100 years time, in relationship to Holy Dust held fusion...which radiation experiments proved they changed. As the collider made sink holes, I think the 100 years returns owns x mass return, which is what they claim Jesus involved, return of MASS.

    The stories Satanism, science conversion of MASS was thought of by a male who owned 100 year life span...what Russia proved was a particle of stone defused reactive cause.

    When a lot of humans, as males in science, of a multi DNA world history of multi minds and multi bodies all thinking for the same reactive machine cause....then as before it would bring back a multi RETURN....which is factually proven to be what the brotherhood theme is, and when the male world community join together for the same Satanic Leadership as a theme...they become the Destroyer.

    What I believe the prophecy in consciousness as a human Healer/medical science was discussing about male reasoning in life sacrificed and attacked, and why they said that they would do it again.

    Just as they had from the Moses event to the Jesus event, been forecast to cause it.

    James 4:13-17
    Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring.

    What is your life?

    For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.

    Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

    If science in modern times wants to continue to lie about living conditions on Earth in its Nature and what science caused...its attack, then continue to lie.

    You already know that you knew that life was being harmed in your science/reactor choice, just as you know that all atmospheric experiments also harms life....yet you all claim it is your purpose...by self reasoning!!

    Does not make sense to a logical sensible spiritual natural human for their brother to claim he is righteous to have life destroyed...especially when his original science mentality as the thinker owned no self applied thought to self removal.....he was only contemplating science/mass removal and not self.

    Yet self did get removed also.

    So if you cannot learn from your own brother's suffering then it is obvious you get to learn by inheriting it yourselves until you reason to stop. For it is human male choice, and it is human male reasoning that supports and allows it.....just as it is human male reasoning that stopped the practices of Satanism.

    Why the TITLE science was given to Satanism to allow it to continue to be practiced...why you changed the naming of your evil choice.

    You said it was con science, as close to consciousness as you could infer its word, so that humanity would not think you were doing evil.
     
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    Let us start with the breaking of the seals. That happens at the end of the world as we know it. So the B man's book is supposed to do that then why has the world not ended. The answer is simple: The B man's book did not break the seals.
     
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    First of all is Mt Carmel, the Mt of Olives? If not then they are full of baloney.
     
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    I believe the proof is in the pudding so if that is what you need, that proof is yet before you. The question is: Will you be ready when that proof becomes available?
     
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    I've asked Baha'is about the verses that mention Zion, Jerusalem, and the Mt. of Olives, they have an interpretation that justifies switching everything to Mt. Carmel. I think it was "spiritualizing" everything instead of taking it literally.
     
  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    If we see what Zion Means to a Jewish Person, then we can then draw conclusions as to what Zion really is.

    "..Judaism. Zion is the Hebrew name for a hill south of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, upon which was built the City of David. ... The location of the Temple, and in particular its Holy of Holies (innermost sanctum), is the most holy place in the world for the Jewish people, seen as the connection between God and humanity."

    "In biblical usage, however, “Mount Zion” often means the city rather than the hill itself. ... Mount Zion is the place where Yahweh, the God of Israel, dwells (Isaiah 8:18; Psalm 74:2), the place where he is king (Isaiah 24:23) and where he has installed his king, David (Psalm 2:6)"

    Thus it is Logical that Zion moves to where God chooses to give and place His Messenger.

    Also consider;

    "The word Zion literally means 'marked' or 'distinctive.' It refers to those inner qualities that distinguish the Jewish people - a 'people who dwells alone' with their own unique spiritual traits."

    Thus this prophecy can now be seen differently, also consider there will be a new Jerusalem (Abode of Peace).

    Isiah 2:3 "And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

    This picture says it all;

    Shrine.png

    Regards Tony
     
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    Revelation 21 says this about the new Jerusalem. Since, you believe Baha'u'llah has fulfilled these prophecies, what does all this mean? Part of this is too easy, it has "the glory of God" in it. But, it also has the Lamb. And it has the 12 tribes of Israel. And the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb, which kind of makes the Lamb Jesus I would think.
    10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
    11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
    12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel.
    13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west.
    14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
    15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls.
    16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long.
    17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits thick.
    18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass.
    19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
    20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.
    21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.
    22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
    23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
     
  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    The thoughts I can offer, is it would need Abdul'baha to give this explanation, not me ;)

    For verses 10 to 17 Abdul'baha has given a brief summary:

    10 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    11 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    12 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    13 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    14 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    15 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    16 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    17 - Abdul'baha has given explanation - Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Pages 164-167
    18 - For this verses go to page 239 at this link - Apocalypse Unsealed: chapter 21
    19 - For this verses go to page 240 at this link - Apocalypse Unsealed: chapter 21
    20 - For this verses go to page 241 at this link - Apocalypse Unsealed: chapter 21
    21 - For this verses go to page 242 at this link - Apocalypse Unsealed: chapter 21
    Baha’u’llah himself refers to Revelation 21:22–23

    "Say: This day the City of God hath appeared and can be witnessed in perfect adornment. This is the City in which the God of all peoples hath appeared. Ponder these words of John, who announced the great and sacred City and said: “And I saw no temple in it; for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it; for the glory of God [Arabic: Bahá’u’lláh] did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light of it” (Rev. 21:22–23). – Baha’u’llah, provisional translation, qtd. in Christopher Buck.

    Thus in this context, I see this Lamb is the Bab, and the story of the Bab is that like Jesus.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Thanks Tony
     
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    There is not going to be an end of the world. Bible scholars determined that was a mistranslation of the Bible; end of the world means end of an age.

    Daniel Chapter 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    As a Baha’i, what I believe Daniel 12 means is that the “book” (the Bible) would be unsealed at the time of the end, which was the end of the age. This would happen when Christ returned to unseal the book. Before Christ returned, people would run to and fro and not understand the Bible, and that is why Christianity is so divided...

    Baha’is believe that the prophetic age ended when the Bab and Baha’u’llah ushered in a new religious cycle in 1844, called the Cycle of Fulfillment. It is called the Cycle of Fulfillment because all the Bible prophecies will be fulfilled during this age. Baha'is call this age the Golden Age and Jews refer to it as the Messianic Age.
     
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    No, we are not full of baloney.


    Isaiah prophesied that the Plain of Sharon and the holy mountain, Carmel, would both be centers for the light and presence of the ‘Glory of the Lord’ in the last days. He said:

    “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.” (Isaiah 35:1).

    “It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.” (Isaiah 35:2).

    “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.” (Isaiah 35:10).


    Again in the chapter preceding the one in which he, Isaiah, promises that God will raise up a ‘righteous man from the East’, he foretells:

    “And the Glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of God hath spoken it.” (Isaiah 40:5).
     
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    But Jesus has not returned, so that is just a hope that Christians have, and have had for hundreds of years. It is a false hope, Imo.

    I agree with pleinmont. Jesus died over 2000 years ago and stayed dead. That means Jesus never ascended and cannot return, not in the same body.
     
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