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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by loverofhumanity, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Oops. My bad! I read it too fast.

    The throne of David is in Jerusalem. Are you doing the same ol' trick of making this some sort of figurative meaning that waters it down?

    The above.
     
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    No, I do not find it significant because it is just a story in a book and it is not verifiable. That is why it is religious tradition rather than a historical fact. It does not matter if scriptures SAY God spoke to an entire people or if scriptures SAY God spoke to one man. None of the people in the story can verify anything now because they are not alive. All we have is a story. In that sense it is really no different than the bodily resurrection of Jesus. Christians believe it because it was written in a book but there is no proof that it ever happened.

    I do not need to hear from God myself as a reason to trust that Baha'u'llah heard from God because I have so much evidence that supports His claim. I would have really weak faith in God if I did not trust His Messenger and I had to hear from God directly.
     
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    There is no physical throne of David that can be located in Jerusalem. That is what I am going to say.
    I did have to water it down. Someone already did that for me. :D

    What is the throne of David?

    The Davidic line or House of David (known in Hebrew as Malkhut Beit David, מלכות בית דוד – "Kingdom of the House of David") refers to the lineage of King David through the texts in the Hebrew Bible, in the New Testament, and through the succeeding centuries.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Davidic_line
     
  4. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    The throne of David means ruling from Jerusalem, since that is where David's throne was located. A throne is the seat of power. Right now that would be Netanyahu. Obviously he is not the Messiah.
     
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    Got any verses that say what you said?
     
  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    There is a new Jerusalem :D

    That is in the New not the Old books.

    Regards Tony
     
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  7. loverofhumanity

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    Why do you think He said to watch? Having preconceived ideas is not watching. Why Jesus said to watch is very simple because if one didn’t watch then one could miss the second coming entirely. If He MUST come according to our preconceived interpretation of the Bible which is not authoritative or infallible then we may miss it entirely like the Jews did Christ.

    Watching means to be receptive not clogged with ones own ideas refusing to depart from them. Watching means to be open minded.

    That’s why billions of Christians missed it because they didn’t watch except with preconceived ideas which is not being open minded or watchful.
     
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  8. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The New Jerusalem comes down from the Sky, which can mean Heaven or the Internet is on the sky; when it says a Groom marrying its Bride, this is the same as Matthew 25:1-13, where Christ comes at the Midnight Hour.

    Revelation 21:2 I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.

    Revelation 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb, are its temple.


    Baha'u'llah told us to watch for the one to come, who would aid creating a theocratic democracy here on earth (0neness); which God sent me to do, and have known this since birth.

    "How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark--the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá. All must glorify his name, must reverence his station, and aid him to unlock the cities with the keys of My Name (Zion), the omnipotent Protector of all that inhabit the visible and invisible kingdoms. Such a king is the very eye of mankind, the luminous ornament on the brow of creation, the fountainhead of blessings unto the whole world. Offer up, O people of Bahá, your substance, nay your very lives, for his assistance." - (Bahá'u'lláh, Kitáb-i-Aqdas, 1873).

    The sacred name was already given in the Tanakh in clear details:​

    Psalms 132:13 For Yahavah (Lord of Creation) has chosen 'Zion'. He has desired it for his habitation.

    Psalms 146:10 Yahavah will reign forever; your God 'Zion', to all generations. Praise the Lord!

    Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).


    Sanananda is the Son of Brahma (Creator), where Yahavah means Lord of Creation; thus we can understand Theosophist who accept all religion, have transliterated it - same with my name is even easier (Zanda).

    Skanda
    is stated in the Bhagavad Gita to come riding on a white being, to fight the sinful behaviour as Kalki, with the word of his mouth at the End of Time; in Revelation it is the same character, and descriptions (Shambhala = Place of Peace = Jerusalem).

    We have to all understand religion as One in the sky (Internet); then when we accept Baha'i's revelation, we can create peace on earth.

    If Baha'i do not accept Baha'u'llah's statements, if Muslims do not accept Muhammad's (Quran 43:60-77), if Zionist & Christians do not accept the Bible, if Hindu's don't accept the words of their texts, etc; soon the End of mankind happens as prophesied in the Great Tribulation, and we keep the Enlightened Saints after.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  9. loverofhumanity

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    You left this out. He states claims such as yours to be bogus and fraudulent as below. I fully agree with Him and He doesn’t endorse anyone within 1,000 years of His statement.


    Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things.”


    The Kitab-i-Aqdas
    Bahá’u’lláh
     
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  10. wizanda

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    37 Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. - Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34

    I'm not laying claim to revelation; I'm the Archangel sent from Heaven who is sent to tidy up false teachings before Judgement Day - as prophesied here, and in many religious writings.

    Why not try accepting Baha'i's teachings, rather than pretend to be a 'lover of humanity', who doesn't actually care when the Messiah asks him to help humanity. :oops:

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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    We Baha’is have a Covenant and the Centre of the Covenant today to whom all Baha’is must turn is the Universal House of Justice endowed by Baha’u’llah with conferred infallibility to guide and protect the Baha’i World Community

    There is none other, no individuals, no archangels. These claims of yours have nothing to do with the Baha’i Faith or Baha’u’llah. They are I believe your own vain imaginings that you choose to believe in and which we Baha’is reject outright.

    The Day of Judgement is already come. The sheep are now being separated from the goats. This is the day to bow in humility before the Lord of the Earth not exalt ones self.
     
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    The prophets have spoken. I thank each and every one of you.
     
  13. wizanda

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    Baha'u'llah prophesied the Great Tribulation, and then the Day of Judgement; you're saying all the world's religious texts are wrong with that idea.

    Lets put it this way, it seems like Baha'i have become corrupted like all the other religious traditions; that rejected their texts, whilst claiming to follow them.
    We've just posted texts from Baha'u'llah saying the exact opposite, it appears again that what is being taught by Fake Baha'i reject the world's texts; whilst following some made up religious tradition, that contradicts the message from the Source as a whole.
    Considering I've known since 4-5 years old my name is in the world's religious texts; how would I have known that or that spiritual masters prophesied it?

    At 15 when the Source explained the world's religions; how would it know the details, if it was all false?

    At 21 on fulfilling Revelation 10, that was a few years before reading the Bible.

    In the Quran 43:60-77 it prophesied this would happen, that people would reject the things of God, for their own made up traditions.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Matthew 13:29-30 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    It's Harvest Time and the wheat are being separated from the tares.

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    I doubt it, but I don't doubt that the NT says that Jesus came back to life and said that he had flesh and bone and was not a ghost. I think it is much easier to believe that the writers were not inspired by God but inspired to be convincing to the people back in those days... that Jesus was a "God" and had power over sin and death and the devil. The only problem I have with Baha'is is that instead of saying the story was false and just a bunch of embellishments... and maybe even being completely fictional, they try and say that the story was always meant to be symbolic. Which still makes it fictional doesn't it?
     
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    I wouldn't say that everything Christians believe about what to look for prior to the return of Christ is "preconceived" ideas. Verses say that the dead will rise first and then those that are alive will rise up to meet Christ in the air. The man of lawlessness will come before the return. The return is to the Mt. of Olives. And other verses. They put all those together and then make interpretations. Baha'is take all those verses and interpret them in some figurative way to still make Baha'u'llah fulfill it.
     
  17. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    CG, it all depends on what you want to see in and learn from the Bible.

    Personally I really want to find out what I am, and live life to that potential, this life has nil to offer, but that journey.

    Regards Tony
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Are you kidding me? A throne is the seat of power, literally. You only have to ask where that seat is located. That its no longer decorated with gold and jewels is beside the point. David's seat of power still exists exactly where it always has.
     
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    All power is with God and His Messengers.

    Temporal thrones of earthly kings, fall into ruin.

    Regards Tony
     
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