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What will happen if US/British/Nato forces lose in Afghanistan?

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by sandandfoam, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. sandandfoam

    sandandfoam Well-Known Member

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    I read today that
    source Time running out to tackle Taliban in Afghanistan, British general warns | World news | guardian.co.uk
    What'll happen if the Taliban win?
     
  2. Scarlett Wampus

    Scarlett Wampus psychonaut

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    I haven't a clue! I don't think the threat of terrorism would be any more or less though, perhaps less.

    I'm mostly convinced we will lose. The objectives of the war are strategically fanciful and money is tight. Realistically we'd need a very large number of troops occupying the country for an indefinite amount of time. Its not going to happen. The Taliban will survive, dust themselves off and resume their dominance. I think the civilians believe that too so they won't support the occupying forces.
     
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  3. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    I'm not politically astute enough to answer the OP in detail, but I disagree with Scarlett Wampus. Should we fail in Afghanistan, I think the threat of terrorism will be increased, primarily due to resentment over the failed operations.
     
  4. Scarlett Wampus

    Scarlett Wampus psychonaut

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    lol, so you think resentment will be worse afterwards than it is now?
     
  5. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    Yeppers. That's not to say it isn't bad now, of course. But it can ALWAYS get worse.
     
  6. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    Exactly. Tell that to anyone who has prayed for a new boss and then got a new boss... only to wish they had the old boss back.
     
  7. Seyorni

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    Resentment? Resentment by whom? The US Republican party is the only group I can think of offhand that might resent our disengagement, but you mention terrorism, so I suspect you're referring to some other group.
     
  8. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    The Afghani people. As I understand it, we're far from done rebuilding.
     
  9. Seyorni

    Seyorni Well-Known Member

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    The Afghanis don't want us there. They don't want the "Taliban" either. They complain that every time we show up they're in danger. We're a conflict magnet.
    They just want to be left alone to live their traditional feudal lives.
     
  10. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    I think it's a mistake to assume such unanimity.

    Even if that's the case, there must be some who consider us the lesser evil, and would resent being abandoned. We're in now, we can't just bail because it's not a walk in the park.
     
  11. Seyorni

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    Outside of Kabul, war weariness and resentment of all sides is pretty widespread. And keep in mind that the Taliban are there in reaction to our occupation.
    The Afghanis are tired of wedding parties and funerals being attacked by invisible drones from above. Resentment from these incidents spread like wildfire throughout the country.
    They're tired of the Taliban threatening to kill them if they co-operate with the Americans or vote. The schools, &c we build get co-opted by the Taliban and the UN has to go back six months later and blow them up.
    They're tired of the pretend government from Kabul, and they're furious about the egregious joke that was the election -- of a President of nothing.
     
  12. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    I already acknowledged that things are bad already.
     
  13. Seyorni

    Seyorni Well-Known Member

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    Things are terrible. The "Taliban" -- not the original Pakistani students" but anyone who's unemployed and ****** off -- Are resurgent
     
  14. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that things could still get worse, and I think they're likely to if we bail out.
     
  15. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel Staff Member Premium Member

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    I agree with Storm,if we leave the Taliban will make life a whole lot worse for the Afghanis,it should be remembered that the Taliban are'nt even Afghan nationals and it should be remembered what life was like the last time they had control.
     
  16. Scarlett Wampus

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    You think its been better since we stormed in? For a year or two after the invasion Afghans generally hoped we might help facilitate a better future but now most say its no better or worse than before. We've made a real hash of things. Resentment has steadily grown together with the Taliban's resurgence and civilian casualties with the war still raging on.

    Afghans are stuck in the middle getting pushed around and shot at by both sides. They hate us, they hate the Taliban, but they think they'll end up stuck with the Taliban.
     
  17. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel Staff Member Premium Member

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    It is sad,they have a corrupt Government with no alternatives and they are stuck in the middle but just like Iraq we can't just leave for many reasons
     
  18. Zephyr

    Zephyr Moved on

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    If? You mean when?
     
  19. sandandfoam

    sandandfoam Well-Known Member

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  20. Bismillah

    Bismillah Submit

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    Sensationalism. The same things were said 5 months ago about Pakistan.
     
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