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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Estro Felino, Oct 1, 2022.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    That's what I though too.
    Name calling convinces no one.
    If I called you a "commie" would that
    convince you to abandon socialism?

    If you answer "yes", get ready for
    the onslaught.
     
  2. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Mine are not conspiracy theories. Seigniorage is written in Macroeconomics books. It's all aboveboard.
    It's a heist aboveboard. It's something that belongs to the States and that was stolen from them.

    Nobody has ever succeeded in refuting this argument.
     
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    They never are to believers.
    That's the hallmark of conspiracy theories & religions.
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Nobody has ever refuted that 2 plus 2 equals four. Is it a conspiracy theory hallmark, then?
     
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    Math has claims provable & disprovable.
    Conspiracy theories are often "nicht einmal falsch".
     
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    France?
     
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    France has beaucoup capitalism.
    They're not socialist....although those froggies
    lean that way more than do Ameristanians.
     
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    They have it written in their Constitution.
     
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    Basic advice all human babies never owned any will or say.

    Human sex owns why any of us live today.

    That realisation hence said so we should give ourselves the most enjoyable communal life whilst we live.

    As it's only passing.... life.
     
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    Oh, a document says something.
    It must be so!
     
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    That's crazy to me, I had to look it up to verify the accuracy, after I read your comment. I don't think socialist or capitalist or any other economic system based 'rights' should be enshrined within the fundamental principles and precedents a society uses for guidance regarding civil matters. Suppose a 'better' system is developed, and a state's constitution prevents it from adopting the hypothetically 'better' system, the days of that state are numbered.

    It should go without saying or requiring, that those who cannot help themselves should be helped by those that can, within a healthy society. If a society refuses to look after its own, perhaps it deserves to fail like it almost undoubtedly will.
    :shrug:

    :oops: I feel like that's the sarcastic treatment my US representatives seem to view our constitution. No respect shown for the ¹second oldest living constitution of our current civilization... if that even means anything, maybe it means it's time to retire it? I would disagree.

    ¹Republic of San Marino is oldest living constitution.
     
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    It is an official document, just as much a part of that Constitution as secularism is a part of America's Constitution.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Sin is associated with theism. Yes, I consider them as ignorant, superstitious.
     
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    Constitution can be amended following prescribed procedure. India as per its Constitution is a Federal, Secular, Socialist, Democratic Republic.
     
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    My only concern would be the ease for exploitation. If the institution that is responsible for operating and maintaining the state's economic sector also has the privilege to write legislation or amend doctrines... Let's just say humans don't have the best track record regarding corruption within government.
     
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    Who but the Central Government will do all these jobs? India has the largest number of political parties in the world. We have 8 national political parties, 54 recognized state parties and 68 unrecognized notable political parties out of the total 2796 unrecognized political parties.

    We have 28 states and 8 union territories. Not all these are ruled by one party. Corruption is present in all kinds of parties, even though we are quite strict about it. The two houses of Indian government also have members from different parties. We have a very strong and active media for and against the government. The Central Government in New Delhi does not have all the rights. Yes, it overseas charges of corruption and also is responsible for writing laws, but what it does is scrutinized by our Supreme Court. We have many checks and balances. Our democracy is working perfectly for the last 75 years except for a period of two years when Mrs. Indira Gandhi declared an emergency after her election was cancelled by a court because of misuse of official machinery. In the election after that Mrs. Gandhi's party was roundly rejected. We have amended our Constitution to make that kind of situation more difficult. Basically, Indians are very democratic in their outlook.
     
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    It is indeed regularly trashed by both parties.
    Constitution of San Marino - Wikipedia
     
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    The Froggies can say what they want.
    But saying so doesn't make it so.
    Unless the people own the means
    of production, it's not socialism.

    Your argument is like claiming that
    what ever is printed in the Bible is
    true...simply because it's in print.
     
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    I think that when it deals with Romance philology and etymology, I have a say, right?

    Socialism from Latin socialis derived from the the word socius, which means ally.
    It means that all the men and women within a country are perceived as allies and not as opponents. So cooperation is preferred instead of competition. Cooperation in all the fields of public life...which implies a universal healthcare, public (and not private) essential services and so on.

    Communism from Latin communis (common) which does mean to put something in common, that is the means of productions.

    They are two very different notions, etymologically and factually.
     
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    Oh, boy...another socialist who believes that capitalism
    doesn't have cooperation. And that cooperation means
    "socialism".

    Do you have internet access to an English dictionary?
    Here's one...
    Definition of socialism | Dictionary.com
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government.
     
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