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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Mar 2, 2019.

  1. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    This is from the Smithsonian all the Archeologists and professors at the Smithsonian agree with this. This is the magazine from Smithsonian talking about the fact that there is no proof for jesus.

    For Christians who will not accept this, who has a million history professors working there you wont be swayed no matter what. So just be irrational then.

    Unearthing the World of Jesus | History | Smithsonian
     
  2. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    There are no contemporary writings of anybody from the 1st century, so what difference does that make? Most history is always written after the fact.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Their credentials will say what they teach. When I take a college course the name of the professor and what he teaches is listed.
     
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    What???
     
  5. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    Where does HE say he's writing about what some Christians believed? That's conjecture. Like I said, if you're going to deny what he says because there is no document saying Christians were in Rome and Nero persecuted them, then you have to say there was no fire by the same standard. Since he's writing after the fact. Sorry, but that's not how historians use the historical method of whether something happened or not. They use multiple sources.
     
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    You have evidence to the contrary? Remember, I'm speaking of writings about another person who is living contemporary to the writer.
     
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    So are you saying that we can't know something about someone and write about it because were not eyewitnesses? Smh. If that's the case we can't believe ANYTHING written from antiquity from historians.

    Sorry guy but that's not how Historiology is done by historians. As long as you have reliable sources you can write about anything and not be there. It's 2019. My Great Grandmother was born in 1923, she's 96. The Berlin Olympic Games was in 1936, 83 years ago just like the time between the crucifixion of Christ and Tacitus Annals. My Grandmother remembers the Great Depression, Jesse Owens not being invited to the White House by president Roosevelt, Adolph Hitler, etc etc...Now she was alive during this time. We've talked about all of this so I have a primary source which I could use to write about all these events. Not only that, I have a secondary and third source I can use to write because my Grandmother and Mother discussed the same things with my Great Grandmother. So according to the historical method my word is just as valid as my Grandmother's and she was there ,and I was born 38 years after the fact. Im 45 now and this happened 83 years ago. I could write about it right now and be just as accurate as someone who actually lived during the time.

    You need to brush up on your logic and historical method because you're lacking in both and it shows. Have a nice night:peace:
     
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  8. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    Did you actually read this. It says nothing of the sort. Here is the title of the article:

    Unearthing the World of Jesus
    Surprising archaeological finds are breaking new ground in our understanding of Jesus’s time—and the revolution he launched 2,000 years ago

    How can it say archaeological finds are breaking new ground understanding Jesus's time and the revolution HE LAUNCHED 2,000 YEARS AGO if they don't believe he existed? If he launched a revolution 2,000 years ago, he had to exist right?;)
     
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    You're off topic. My reply is in reference to someone mentioning Jesus was only in religious text:peace:
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    Not so. We not only have writings by and about Augustus Caesar, we have art That was made of him while he posed:

    Did Julius Caesar Exist? – Yes But No evidence of Jesus Christ

    You appear to violate Hitchen's Razor quite often. Is that why you accuse others of that so often?
     
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    Titles are worthless. Please link the article.
     
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    Not what I said or implied. To back and read that post again.

    But you have no reliable sources when it comes to Jesus. Granted, a man named Jesus probably existed. Are you happy with that fact? Magic Jesus, not so much. You appear to be the one that does not understand how history works. The existence of people may be accepted. Claims that they did magic needs real evidence. For example, Abraham Lincoln was a real man. Abraham Lincoln Vampire Killer, not so much.
     
  13. Riders

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    It says surprosong finds are breaking new ground in our understanding of Jesus time,the fact that it says the revolution he launched 2000 years ago is not a literal view of Jesus. Read the article.
     
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    Heres one of the paragraphs that put doubt on Jesus by historians it says. The first paragraph or 2 seems to believe Jesus existed but then the last half are Historians putting doubt on the idea Jesus exited. Here is one paragraph.

    or historians, this was not a serious problem. Galilean Jews were a week’s walk from Jerusalem, close enough for regular pilgrimages to Herod the Great’s magnificent temple, Judaism’s central house of worship. Galileans, mostly poor peasants and fishermen, had neither the need nor the funds for some local spinoff. Synagogues, as we understand them today, did not appear anywhere in great numbers until several hundred years later. If there were any in Galilee in Jesus’s day, they were perhaps just ordinary houses that doubled as meeting places for local Jews. Some scholars argued that the “synagogues” in the New Testament were nothing more than anachronisms slipped in by the Gospels’ authors, who were writing outside Galilee decades after Jesus’s death.

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    This paragraph says the only proof that comes close to being proof Jesus existed is the word of Josephus, but sense many Historians doubt the authenticity of Josephus it means they dont believe .

    The Gospels themselves provide only glancing answers; their purpose is spiritual inspiration, not historical documentation. As for actual firsthand accounts of Galilean life in the first century, only one survives, written by a Jewish military commander named Josephus. This has made archaeology the most fruitful source of new information about Jesus’s world. Each layer of dirt, or stratum, is like a new page, and with much of Galilee still unexcavated, many chapters of this Fifth Gospel remain unread.
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    Heres another proof taht is proof the gospel is wrong. Im gonna start a new thread on it sense the confusion of the title of the article came out. This one thats worth arguing about believe me.

    The ground, in both Galilee and Jerusalem, has disgorged a few stunners. In 1968, a skeletal heel nailed to a board by an iron spike was found in an ossuary, or bone box, inside a first-century tomb near Jerusalem. The heel, which belonged to a man named Yehochanan, helped settle a long-simmering debate about the plausibility of Gospel accounts of Jesus’s tomb burial. Crucifixion was a punishment reserved for the dregs of society, and some experts had scoffed at the idea that Romans would accord anyone so dispatched the dignity of a proper interment. More likely, Jesus’s remains, like those of other common criminals, would have been left to rot on the cross or tossed into a ditch, a fate that might have complicated the resurrection narrative. But Yehochanan’s heel offered an example of a crucified man from Jesus’s day for whom the Romans permitted Jewish burial.
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  17. lukethethird

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    That is correct, you sited people that wrote long after the fact. Every single detail of Jesus that we have comes from the gospels, and that Jesus is impossible to have existed.
     
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    Time makes no difference in writing history if the sources are reliable and valid. The history books you read in school are written in the 20th and 21st century yet they speak on things that happened thousands of years ago. Are they not valid? And don't let me get into the facts of the NT writings and their copies being closer to date written than ALL LITERATURE FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD. ALL.
     
  19. THE HOOD APOLOGIST

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    Jesus existence isn't mentioned anywhere in that passage. It's talking about scholars arguing that synagogues weren't in great numbers during that time and that it probably was just ordinary houses that doubled as meeting places for local Jews.
    You have to get off that band wagon and do your own research. Stop going by what's on the internet and research how historians do history and the methods they use:peace:
     
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    That depends quite a bit on what is claimed. The Koran is more recent than the Bible, do you accept it? The Book of Mormon is even more recent. By your standards it looks like you should accept both of these works.
     
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