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What the Great Tribulation of the Second Coming Will Be Like

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by gaviria.christian, Nov 18, 2018.

  1. gaviria.christian

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    I just finished a study on what exactly is the "great tribulation", and when it actually starts, also what the day the second coming of the Messiah will be like, and how the Torah autumn appointed times relate to the events of his second coming, and when the seven trumpets and seven bowls of Revelation actually happen. Check out the study here *EDIT* .
     
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    3 seals and 3 Trumpets and 3 vials of the 7 seals and 7 Trumpets and 7 vials have already happened, We are now in the 4th seal and 4th Trumpet and 4th vial of Revelation.

    That leaves only 3 more seals,Trumpets,Vials left

    We already have been heading into the Tribulation and people aren't even aware of it.
     
  3. Who me

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    When Jesus comes again it will be 'awesome'.
    Space will be distorted so 'everyone cab see his coming.
    The sight will be terrifying and those who are not Christian will know mindblowing terror.
    Thos who are Christians won't be unaffected, what ever one expects the reality will be awefull.

    It brings home the urgency and importance of our living according to Jesus's commands now.
     
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    How do you get Jesus coming to be terrifying?
    How do you get those who are Christians won't be unaffected.

    Have you any idea how it will be possible for every eye to see Jesus at his coming.

    You do know that the coming of Christ Jesus will be a bad day for alot of Christians, so bad that alot Christians will cry for the rocks and mountains to cover them from the face of Christ Jesus.

    All because alot of Christians will be caught worshipping the false Christ. When Jesus returns.
     
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    Rev 6:16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!. Tells me that the sight of Jesus coming again wikk be terryfing.

    As for those alive at that time, they will be caught up into the air. Think if you are suddenly lifted up into the air, are you going to calm about it or slightly concerned or experiencing a large amount of alarm?

    I've already said that space will be distorted so every one will see Jesus's coming.

    There are only two types of people. Christian or nonchristian.
     
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    Have you any idea who those people are that call for the rocks to fall on them, those are Christians who have been caught worshipping the false Christ Jesus. That now they can not face Christ because they have been caught worshipping the false Christ.

    Have you any idea what that air is.
    The Greek translation for air is spirit.

    Those that are caught up are in spirit.
    To see Jesus as he is in the spirit.
     
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    "Space will be distorted"? Don't be illogical, we know now how every eye will see the coming of the Messiah which our forefathers did not know, and it will be through television and the internet, which did not exist in the time of our forefathers. When the Messiah returns, his coming will be broadcasted through all media networks, and will thus be seen by everyone in this way.
     
  8. The Anointed

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    From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; “And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ‘On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it.”

    Paul said that the weekly Sabbath was only a shadow of the future reality, and the future reality, is the Lord’s day of one thousand years.

    For one thousand years are to the Lord as one day. “He is the Lord of the Sabbath.” The day of the Lord is the Sabbath or the seventh period of one thousand years, from the day, in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

    Acts 17: 31; For he has fixed a day, (the Great Sabbath, (The Day of the Lord) (The seventh period of one thousand years from Adam) in which He "Our Lord God and Saviour" will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

    The great Tribulation is the war to end all wars, which is not between God and Satan, but between the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the Nations of the world, who would drive Israel into the sea and into oblivion, and if not for His intervention in that war, no flesh would survive.

    Concerning that war to end all wars; which is to be the salvation of the Nation of Israel in the great tribulation, when the Holy City will be surrounded by those nations who would attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

    (JOEL 3: 14.) “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision. The sun and moon shall be darkened and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and earth shall shake, but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

    So shall ye know that I am your Lord God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy and strangers will never again conquer it. (This has not occurred as yet.)

    (NUMBERS 24: 17-19.) “A King like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his possession. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.

    (ZECHARIAH 12: 10.) They shall look upon me, and see the one they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child.

    (ISAIAH 63: 1-6.) Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?”

    The Lord answers, “I have trampled the Nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole Nations and shattered them. I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

    (ZECHARIAH 14: 13-20.) Zechariah speaks of the day in which the Lord will save his people. Chapter 14: “The Lord will come to fight for his people as he has fought in times past. He will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nation who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God’s chosen people into the sea.

    The Lord will throw them into a state of confusion, and the weapons of destruction, with which they would destroy Israel, He will cause them to turn upon their own allies, and they will suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue, such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, ‘cooked to the bone,’ will slide from their bodies while they are still standing.

    Then all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship, and pay tribute to the Lord, who will rule the whole world with a rod of iron and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

    Then all the godless people of the world, and all those, who, in their cathedrals of stone, Marble, and crystal, who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship the God of the Bible.

    MALACHI 3: 1-2; The Lord Almighty says, “I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant.”

    But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears?

    We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but exactly when? No one knows the hour, day, month or year.
     
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    Aren't you confusing two separate events?

    Two centuries before Jesus warned them, a Syrian ruler had defiled the altar, causing an "abomination" that ruined the sanctuary with "desolation" (1 Macc 4:38).

    Daniel contains three references to an abomination that causes desolation, a sacrilege or defilement that will inevitably lead to destruction. One or two of the passages refer to events surrounding Antiochus Epiphanes, who claimed to be a deity and oppressed Israel (Dan 8:13; 11:31, 36-39); another text associates the same kind of "abomination" with the cutting off of an anointed ruler, close to the time of Jesus (Dan 9:26)
     
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    If you had any clue or idea, Christians will be terrified at Christ Jesus coming.

    All because alot of Christians will found in the worshipping the false Christ at Christ Jesus return.

    And just why is that, because alot of Christians are being taught that Christ Jesus will come to Rapture them out before the Tribulation

    But little do alot of Christians are not being taught in the churches, That in the book of Revelation, God has given the last ProohPro that is to happen, that when this Prophecy happens Christ Jesus returns and the Tribulation is over.

    So what good is the Rapture going to do,
    Seeing Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy that God gave happens first, which brings Christ Jesus returns and the end to the Tribulation.

    And not only that, alot of Christians are not being taught that Satan comes first before Christ Jesus returns.
    So alot of Christians are going to be found in the worshipping Satan at Christ Jesus returns.
    Alot of Christians are not being taught in the churches in what way Satan comes or when or where.

    Do you personally know these things ?
    Or better yet are you and others being taught these things in the churches?
     
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    Is there another word for "false Christ"?
     
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    Sure like Antichrist, which means,
    One who stands in the place of Christ Jesus is an AntiChrist.

    In some instances, there are those who denounce Christ Jesus and they become AntiChrist's. This is not to be taken that they stand in the place of Christ Jesus,No

    It means they stand against Christ Jesus.

    Now as for Satan, Satan will come to deceive people into believing that he is Christ Jesus, But Satan is the AntiChrist who thinks to stand in the place of Christ Jesus. To deceive people into believing he is the real Christ Jesus.
     
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    John says the "antichrists" are those who left the church and speak against it.

    Why Did Jesus Come?

    Did Jesus come to bind Satan and destroy his power? Think carefully now for the answer has tremendous significance. Let us see what the Scriptures say about Jesus' reason for coming.

    In Matthew 12:22-30, Jesus cast a demon out of a man. The Pharisees insisted it was by the power of the Devil. Jesus logically demonstrated the fallacy of Satan casting out Satan.


    There is no more demon possession! Jesus, God incarnate, came into the world and met Satan "incarnate." Jesus' personal ministry was truly the war of the Gods! Satan in-dwelt individuals and did not want to come out (Matthew 17, Mark 5)! But Jesus "by the finger of God" (Luke 11:20) cast him out and spoiled his house.

    Jehovah predicted he would cause the evil spirit to "pass out of the land" (Zechariah 13:2). With the passing of the miraculous power (Ephesians 4:8f) this was accomplished.

    The Binding of Satan | Planet Preterist
     
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    Satan has not of yet been binding nor has Satan been cast out of heaven yet.

    Not until Christ Jesus returns back to earth and then Satan is binded and cast into the bottom less pit for a thousand years and the after the thousand years have expired then Satan is set lose one more time. To deceive people to see who will be found either standing with God or Satan.
    Revelation 20:1-10
     
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    During the Thousand Years between the Jewish War (70 AD) and the Crusades, Israel Enjoyed Unprecedented Peace.

    During the thousand years between the Jewish War and the Crusades, Judea enjoyed relative peace.

    This peace; only briefly interrupted by the Bar Kokhba Rebellion, the Sassanid invasion and occasional bouts of Roman persecution; continued until A.D. 313 when Emperor Constantine granted religious liberty.
     
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    Well evidently that's not the same Thousand years spoken of in the book of Revelation.
     
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    Well, Satan was cast down and didn't have the power he had previously. I think that's why Jesus said to preach to the world.

    The concept of "binding Satan," means to restrict the work of the devil. It means to cause him to have less ability, to decrease the power of, to prevent, his success.

    Isn't it significant that the first beings to recognize the incarnate Christ, according to the gospel of Mark, were demons. Mark 1:24 and Luke 4:34 are among the passages that show the demons crying out in terror that the Holy One of God has come to torment them.

    Jesus explained that when He cast out demons by the Spirit of God (Matt. 12:28–29), it meant that the kingdom of God had come. In His work, He was binding the strong man (that is, the devil), who formerly had been keeping people in the dark and painful prison of unbelief, sin, and certain judgment.
     
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    Satan has not been cast out of heaven Yet, not until the 6th seal and 6th trumpet is sounded then Satan is cast out of heaven
    Revelation 12:7-9
    7--"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8-- "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven"

    9--"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him"
    Notice the dragon is Satan.
     
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    “Jesus The Evidence,” by Ian Wilson. P. 144. The Middle Ages, for the Jews at least, began with the advent to power of Constantine the Great. He was the first Roman Emperor to issue laws which radically limited the rights of the Jews as citizens’ of the Roman Empire, a right conferred on them by Caracalla in 212. As Constantine’s church grew in power it influenced the emperors to limit further the civil and political rights of the Jews.

    But if times were again difficult for the Jews, for the Christian Gnostics and other fringe groups they were impossible. The books of Arius and his sympathizers were ordered to be burnt, and a reign of terror proclaimed for all those who did not conform with the new official Christian line.

    :Understand now by this present statute, Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulinians, you who are called Cataphrygians. . . . with what a tissue of lies and vanities, with what destructive and venomous errors, your doctrines are inextricably woven! We give you warning . . . .Let none of you presume, from this time forward, to meet in congregations. To prevent this, we command that you be deprived of all the houses in which you have been accustomed to meet . . . . and that these house should be handed over immediately to the catholic/ i.e. universal church.

    Within a generation, hardly leaving a trace of their existence for posterity, the great majority of these groups simply died away as successive Christian emperors reiterated the policies that Constantine had pursued.
     
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    The Middle Ages, the medieval period of European history between the fall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Renaissance, are sometimes referred to as the "Dark Ages."
     
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