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What should the federal minimum wage rightfully be in 2019?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. Snow White

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    I don't know. But there are some certification programs like CompTIA A+ that are like an in-between.
     
  2. Rival

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    What about apprenticeships? Just finding a job? Very few people went to Uni in the 50s and their wages were way, way better.
     
  3. SalixIncendium

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    What many people fail to realize is if minimum wage goes to $15/hr, those who employ minimum wage workers will have no choice but to raise prices for their product or go under. Instead of paying $4.29 for a Whopper, you'll be paying nearly $7.
     
  4. Jonathan Bailey

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    What about the days when my father and grandfather earned good union-scale pay in California doing skilled trades with only a HS diploma? A college degree is not necessary to operate a bulldozer as a union Operating Engineer wire a new home as an electrician contractor.

    We need to promote the traditional industrial arts in America and re-establish manufacturing, civil engineering and infrastructure.

    GI Bills, federal loans and Pell Grants should be also available for trade schools, technical schools and apprenticeship programs

    Our roads, dams, locks, levees, buildings, streets, tunnels, wharves, railroads, water mains, reservoirs, flood management infrastructure, public street lighting, power lines, sewage systems, water management systems, waste and pollution management systems, water reclamation systems and bridges are crumbling and the "service industry" is no cure for that.
     
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    I would be similar to the power to tax income, probably. If it may tax income then surely it may regulate it. Instead it should not be messing with income at all. It uses the income tax as some kind of subsidy gimmick, too.
     
  7. Rival

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    Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.
     
  8. Stevicus

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    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
     
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    Zero dollars
     
  11. Revoltingest

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    The 16th Amendment authorized that.
    (Interestingly, they placed no limit on the percentage taken.)
    Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
    "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes,
    from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the
    several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
    The 16th Amendment could be interpreted to regulate wages?
    Dang....the Constitution seems to place no limits on government.
     
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    That confers the right of the fed to regulate wages in all the states?
    A mission statement like that, if treated broadly as law, could be used to
    authorize anything which government believes serves those purposes.
    It could essentially gut the rest of the Constitution.
    Example:
    Censoring political speech could be rationalized to ensure domestic tranquility.
    Does the preamble take priority over the 1st Amendment?
    Over the 10th?
    Nah.
    I don't think a preamble should be read to grant vague powers without limit.

    Let's also consider the Enumerated Powers clause, & the 10th Amendment....
    The 10th:
    'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited
    by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
    Enumerated powers:
    Article One of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

    If the power to regulate wages isn't enumerated in the Constitution, this would mean
    that the states have that authority.
     
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    The Federal minimum wage sets the national standard, but states are allowed to set a higher minimum wage.

    Since the Federal minimum has existed for many decades and has not been declared unconstitutional, it would appear that there are those in high places who believe it is constitutional.

    If it wasn't, then I would imagine somebody would have brought a lawsuit by now. (I'm sure there probably has already been, but I'm too lazy to look such things up on a Saturday morning.)
     
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    I think we can all agree that laws aren't necessarily constitutional or
    not just cuz the USSC majority says so. We little people are free to
    disagree with them. Criminy, they disagree among themselves.

    Remember, there are vaunted constitutional scholars who believe that
    prohibiting gay marriage & abortion is constitutional.
     
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    Minimum wages were designed for entry level jobs, and no one was expected to stay in one very long.

    Flipping burgers at Mc Donalds was never meant to be a career.

    Raising the minimum wage for know nothing jobs, means less of them, with employees expected to do more to get more as others are eliminated.

    Further, employers are compelled to research mechanization, which eliminates more jobs.

    The US offers free education to high school, and there are many virtually free vocational training programs.

    The minimum wage earner who has no children is expected to put forth an effort to better themselves.

    I, and millions of my generation worked to earn our degrees. I worked 6 hours a night, for the minimum wage, cleaning toilets at night as a school janitor. I went to school full time in the daytime.

    As I said, millions of us did it.

    I know that now college tuition is a whole different thing now. However, self improvement and a good paying job don´t require degrees. Skills can be learned with effort and determination.

    If you don´t speak English and only had a third grade education in Guatemala, and here legally, get your *** out there and learn to survive in our society.

    If you are here illegally, I have no sympathy for you and I hope ICE returns you to where you came from.



     
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    It depends on where you live. Where I life $15 x 40 hrs. per week would be survivable, but just barely. But in many locations it would not be enough.
     
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    That would be interesting. If the Coast got wages that high, would they apply to the whole state?
     
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    It would be overkill in rural Indiana, where those wages will let you live like royalty.
     
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    IMO If your wage doesn't cover every single living expense you have to pay in order to live in the modern world, plus some small luxuries every once in a while, it's not worth being called a wage and should be illegal.
     
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    Yup. And far too many people just do not have the ability, option, or choice to get a better job. They shouldn't be punished for that.
     
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