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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by e.r.m., Nov 30, 2019.

  1. e.r.m.

    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    This might be a difficult question to answer:

    What do the written scriptures say is the (or a) purpose of baptism in Jesus's name? Specifically, what do the texts say?
     
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    I am not very dogmatic about the mode of baptism
    I can respect a covenant dedication of children baptism or also a believers baptism

    In either case they are publicly identified with Jesus, there is a commitment of individuals and the church to disciple

    I do not think it's a call to automatic baptismal regeneration
     
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    Some Christians imagine it has magical properties, that the water and the pronouncement of specific words brings about salvation for the seeker, that without that, God cannot accept them. They are "keys" required to activate God's Love properly, like the proper coinage in a heavenly vending machine.

    Other Christians see it as symbolic act which commits one to live their lives following the ways of Jesus without imagining God literally needs that in order to love and accept them. Both can read the same scriptures, and walk away with entirely different understandings.
     
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    Immersion in power and authority of Christ makes sense.
     
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    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    For the purpose of this discussion, what do the scriptures actually say?
     
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    Immersion "in" power and authority of Christ for what purpose?
     
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    I thank you all for your participation.
     
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    Spiritual growth.
     
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    See HERE

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    I've not seen a verse that says the purpose thereof is to publicly identify with Jesus.

    There is certainly a commitment of individuals and the church to disciple as per Matthew 28:20, but there's no verse that says you get baptized "in order for" the church to disciple you. So what do the scriptures say is an actual purpose?
     
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    e.r.m. Church of Christ

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    Thank you. Which verse says baptism is for the purpose of spiritual growth?
     
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    They say what the reader hears in them. The words are the same words, but how people read those words, is what they actually say to their hearing. Just quoting a verse, is not scripture interpreting itself.

    If you want to know what the verses are, this link here compiled them for easy reference. Again, what they actually means, is a matter of Christian perspectives, which vary. 30 Top Bible Verses About Baptism - Scripture on Being Baptized
     
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    20'And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.'
    3“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent'
     
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    Ok, thank you. Please pick from this list of scriptures, and some of them do, that speak of the purpose of baptism in Jesus's name (not the baptism of John).
     
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    This passage does not mention baptism. I'm asking for written. See, this question is not as easy as it may seem.
     
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    When you say "In Jesus' name", do you mean specifically using that word as opposed to, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"? There are groups that insist that the word "Jesus" must be invoked, in order for it to be valid baptism, and that Trinitarian pronouncements are invalid.
     
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    Is anyone willing to do the work I'm finding a scripture with the word baptism, or any derivative of the word baptism such as baptized, that speaks of its purpose and post those scriptures here. Citing a page full of scriptures with the word baptism and asking me to sift through them is not doing the work. Unless you are saying that there is actually no scripture in the New Testament anywhere that actually states it.
     
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    It is just a symbol.
     
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    Romans 6:4

    "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

    As I said, it symbolized a commitment to a new life. It symbolizes our own death, burial, and resurrection.
     
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    Good question, I am not asking to find a scripture that says in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. As there is only one verse that states that states that. But since acts 10:47-48 establishes that baptism in Jesus's name is in water, then any verse that either refers to baptism in water after Jesus's resurrection or baptism in Jesus's name.
    For the record, I do believe Romans 6 qualifies as this type of baptism, due to verse 5 stating there's a likeness in baptism to the d,b,r.
     
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