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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    To be fair, the Holocaust had a thin vener of "Christianity" (not really), but Hitler is a very poor excuse for Christianity as he targeted many Christians with his ideologies. 9/11 as well was spun into a religious ordeal here in America by our government and our more "Patriotic" elements, but it was largely a political matter, not a religious one.
     
  2. Justanatheist

    Justanatheist Well-Known Member

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    Virtually everyone who rounded up, put on cattle trucks, shot or gassed the Jews claimed to be a christian that is why I was careful with my words. 9/11 was carried out by people who claimed to be Muslims.
     
  3. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    On this basis, we are destined for more of such then - and more of what happens every time a new belief surfaces. Unless one was to believe each of the messages - but that doesn't seem to happen either. So why would any God get such wrong - given that this God is supposed to know us well?
     
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  4. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    It was more than the Jews, though. It was also Catholics and Protestants (and many others) who objected to Hitler's rule. Nazism is a beast all it's own, and the actions were far from fueled by Christianity.

    And while the individuals who carried out 9/11 were Muslim, their actions were not fueled by Islam, but as outcry against American Imperialism.

    Both were political, and can't really be laid at the feet of religion anymore than Stalin's actions can be said to be indicative of Atheism. They're poor comparisons.
     
  5. Shakeel

    Shakeel Well-Known Member

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    Islam is very clear. You can read about it.

    Of course not. Treating neighbours well is extremely important in Islam.
     
  6. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    Unless they believe differently than you, right? Because your actions here are not treating your neighbors well.
     
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  7. Justanatheist

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    Good because that was not my point. What was my point was that these messengers from god that the Trailblazer was talking about were not very good messengers or their followers would not of been killing like they did/do whether it was for political reasons or not.
     
  8. Shakeel

    Shakeel Well-Known Member

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    No. It doesn't matter what they believe. You still have to treat them well. Are you counting yourself as my neighbour? You're not. But, if you were, would you appreciate me advising you to go to hell?
     
  9. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    Ah, I thought you were meaning they were acting as messengers.
     
  10. Shakeel

    Shakeel Well-Known Member

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    Not if they share it.
     
  11. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Torolf Brucesson

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    Ah, the conditional "neighbor". We all share this Earth, Shakeel. We are all neighbors, globally speaking. Your neighbors are not merely those that live right next to you, or think exactly as you do.

    We've been over that. You are misrepresenting both my beliefs and my actions, maliciously so, and are thus not acting as peacefully as you claim to.
     
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  12. Trailblazer

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    Jesus and Muhammad met all of the criteria except that they did not write their own scriptures.
    I just updated that criterion to include older religions that had Messengers who did not write their own scriptures.

    3. He wrote much about God and God's purpose for humans both individually and collectively or scriptures were written by others who spoke for him. He firmly believed that the work he was doing was for the Cause of God.
    No, the original scriptures do not contradict each other; they are different but not contradictory. However, what the followers of those religions 'believe' the scriptures mean is contradictory.
     
  13. Justanatheist

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    Jesus was god, Jesus was not god, Jesus was the Messiah, Jesus was not the Messiah explain how that is not contradictory?
     
  14. Psalm23

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    I had first believed on Jesus at a very young age. As I grew older, I looked further into Christianity and the case for it. Perhaps a combination of personal experience, testimonials I have heard( such as healings), and information I have looked into concerning Christianity such as biblical and outside the Bible sources on Jesus and the apostles and the willingness of the apostles to be persecuted and die for preaching Jesus.
     
  15. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    There isn't a same goal though. Each climb their own mountain (hill, path, etc). The only few things in common is we're all traveling.
     
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    Again more faith statements. Its still irrelevant to historical claims.

    Okay. So can you give the numbers killed by each of those four people, and whats your historical sources for the information? I will name the four people since you have clearly tried to get away from those names you quoted.

    1. Jesus,
    2. Mohammed,
    3. David Koresh
    4. Charles Manson

    How many people did they kill? And what are your historical sources for the information you are presenting?
     
  17. Justanatheist

    Justanatheist Well-Known Member

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    I have not claimed they killed anyone, show where I wrote that, I am getting tired of you mis-representing my views to start one of your strawman arguments, Now show it or are you lying?
     
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  18. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    I've done research. The problem is that the basic assumption: that there is a God, is never demonstrated.

    Prophesies that are made after the fact are useless. prophesies that are obvious to anyone that is observant are useless. Miracles that are no more than street magic are useless. Miracles that nobody except believers see are useless.

    Any prophesies or miracles that don't have those issues?
     
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  19. Justanatheist

    Justanatheist Well-Known Member

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    Here is my original post on the subject. * Mod Edit *
     
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  20. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I don't think there is any as my "drift" is that probably all of them are trying to ascertain what God(s) is/are about and what the implications may be.

    IOW, it's the seeking that's probably most important.
     
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