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Featured What Reason Are Canaanites Removed From the Land?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Mar 25, 2018.

  1. wizanda

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    In Zechariah 14:21 the Canaanites shall be removed from the land at Judgement day...

    Based on history, Biblical text, and everything we know, give your best reasons for why a Canaanite theologically is different to those that remain after?

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    This just simply does not fit in history if interpreted anything close to literal. The Hebrews were a pastoral Canaanite tribe in the Judaean Hills of South Palestine.

    Like other expressions like this it was more like a prophetic curse against a rival tribe.
     
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    The teaching of the Law was introduced to Sons of Israel and they swore to uphold it. Canaan tribes had worship that used another Gods and unacceptable practices like human sacrifices cannibalism idol worship , e.t.c.. , things that would sway Israeli from the path of the Law. That was main reason, it was not possible to have chance to choose between the Law and existing practices of Canaan. I do not think that cleansing of Canaan was real event but some story that the countless future generations of Israeli would remember about YHWH not accepting practices of Canaan.
     
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    Actually, archaeology finds indicates that the Hebrews worshiped similar Gods as the Canaanites, and other finds including the origin of the Hebrew language from the Canaanite language. Even in the Pentateuch a hierarchy of Canaanite Gods is described.
     
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    For Zechariah 14:21 the footnote in the NIV says there is an alternative reading. Instead of 'Canaanite' the word could be 'Merchant'. In that case it reads "...in that day there will no longer be a merchant in the house of..." rather than "...in that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of...' . This does seem to fit as the passage mentions pots alluding to the heavy trade going on around the temple. Originally in the temple you have to exchange things. For example you might need to buy something to put in the offering, and this means trading takes place around the temple. There are merchants there. This passage in Zechariah is saying everything will be considered acceptable, so there will be no need for trading. Even all of the pots will be considered kosher. If anything is going to lose its kosher-ness its a pot. It is hard for me to interpret this, but I think that the Christian interpretation is that Zechariah is talking about more than just pots but is talking about people, too and that the temple is not a building but is people.
     
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    That what OT mentioned : they did worship but they were not supposed to. Abram was genetically the same as others who lived there except a little detail which he was chosen for.
     
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    Culturally the were a Canaanite tribe.
     
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    This goes back to the culture of the main Canaanite tribes of the North were trading commerce tribes, and the Hebrews were a pastoral Canaanite tribe of the South.
     
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    I think I am not an expert on what its originally saying. Certainly there is commerce in that region of the world, and all of that seems possible. Good idea.
     
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    They are of Cain, a product of the false god. They even slipped in during the tragedy Noah escaped.

    Genesis:
    And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    Cain was not of Adam., but of the creator god.

    4 1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

    2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

    "And the chief archon seduced her and he begot in her two sons; the first and the second (are) Eloim and Yave. Eloim has a bear-face and Yave has a cat-face. The one is righteous but the other is unrighteous. (Yave is righteous but Eloim is unrighteous.) Yave he set over the fire and the wind, and Eloim he set over the water and the earth. And these he called with the names Cain and Abel with a view to deceive.
    "Now up to the present day, sexual intercourse continued due to the chief archon. And he planted sexual desire in her who belongs to Adam. And he produced through intercourse the copies of the bodies, and he inspired them with his counterfeit spirit.- Secret John (Apocryphon of John).

    Unless one understands who the Archons are, they will see the angel of light instead of the Father Jesus taught us of. Deception is their greatest tool.

    Seth was of Adam and Eve.
     
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    Pheonicians and Canaanites are known to have a long history of trade and commerce through the Mediterranean Sea and northern Palestine. Before ~700 BCE the Hebrews were a pastoral Canaanite tribe in the Judaean Hills.
     
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    most likely, they easily mingled, OT was adamant about not to marry those of different tribes with a few exceptions.
     
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    I think this doesn't account for there still being Canaanites today. Their descendants, such as the Lebanese and Jordanians that primarily adhere to Islam are Canaanites. Were you counting that in your statement?
     
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    The question asks about the Canaanite theology, not the people. ;)

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I believe the citation referred to the people. It is similar to other references to Canaanites.
     
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    Why are they trying to kill off people in Gaza now?

    *And no, this isn't anti-Semitic, as I know this is about hawks in the Israeli government and there are "average" Jewish people who don't want this stuff to happen.

    It's like how our government wants to kill not just minorities now, but apparently everyone's kids too, and build a wall so that people can't come in even though they can just go around/over/under/etc. Not everyone in the US is for this crap, and we shouldn't be lumped in with evil morons.

    From what I'm gathering as I read about the history of the Hebrews, Hebrews were highland Canaanites and others lived near the coast, and since there were more effective and profitable trade routes on the coast, the coast was richer, and the highlanders wanted that money for themselves. I mean, if you connect the dots. Hardly any city in Israel, historic or modern, were founded by Jews. Syria, Greece, and Romans are responsible for many of the cities, as were the old school folks like the Canaanites and Philistines. Even in the bible, you don't see Hebrews entering Canaan and starting their own cities. No, they ransack existing cities and kill everyone but the new under-10 set for sex slavery and then call the city their own.

    We are told that, but our country also liked to claim evil things. Heck, even now, whenever a white terrorist does terrorism, they pick some cheery student ID picture while the minority criminals are always using the mug shots. They had to call the Canaanites evil to justify the evil they did to them in their mind.

    He was chosen by one God for a lineage. Abram didn't stop believing in other gods. He just had to focus on one of Them.

    Yes. I'm reading a book about the history of God and it notes that prior to Iron Age 1 you simply can't tell one from the other. You don't start differentiating until at least the Judges period if not well into the monarchy. Plus, the bible was written by Jews, from Judah, who hated Israel after their civil war split up the country.

    I've even read some texts that note that El, Yah/Yam/Yahweh, and Baal became Cronus, Poseidon, and Zeus in Greece. Trade enabled god sharing like you're trading baseball or pokemon cards.

    They were trying to force a genetic and theological purity that didn't exist in reality. Also note that you could only do sacrifices at the Jerusalem Temple (eventually), which lets us in on the REAL reason for monotheism, if no one got it when Ankhenaton tried it in Egypt: the priests wanted complete political and economic control, which is ALSO why the monarchy was hated by theological leaders until they realized it was a sweet gig to be a royal prophet, paid to make the king smile by telling him he was "Big, YUGE."
     
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    purpose was for Israeli not to adopt evil practices, btw, it is theological treatise for the future generations to come, most likely it is Gnostic type mythical story to convey some points of view.
     
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    It asks about Canaanites in the context of judgment day and their theology. It involves the people.

    I was just wondering if you've ever considered the fact that Canaanites still exist and they follow a monotheistic religion in the majority.

    That's an aside from the point made by @Kelly of the Phoenix, that Jews are arguably Canaanite.
     
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    There was a mingling of Yahweh with Kronos because of the jealousy factor. I am not certain that equates to Yahweh being Kronos, however. Are you suggesting something like Yahweh got transported to Greece and became Kronos?

    Yahweh cannot be Zeus and Poseidon, not only because of widely different personalities, but because we know the origins of their worship as concerns Greece. Zeus and Poseidon are also connected with Indra and Varuna, who are likely older than their Greek associations.
     
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    Of course considered Canaanites exist in the land within people's genealogy; yet the Judgement day criteria have evolved to be more theologically specific, than it being just about race...

    The warring tribal mentality had already diminished by the time Zechariah wrote that, after the return from Babylon, and the land of Canaan had most likely ended...

    So personally see the prophecy as a much larger scope of something theological Canaanites do, that is not allowed for God's kingdom on earth...

    So easy ones are polytheism, henotheism, idolatry, name objectification, worshiping God's wife, etc...

    Was looking for anything more specific based on the texts, and their 'abominations' when compared with the Hebraic theology.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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