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Featured What must one do to prepare for the "awesome day of the "LORD"

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Phantasman

    Phantasman Well-Known Member

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    Mark 9:
    4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

    5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

    6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

    7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

    8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

    Out of Moses, Isaiah and Jesus, the Holy Spirit tells me who to listen to.
     
  2. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    You don't have to listen to Moses, just listen to the Words written on stone by the hand of God. As for Moses, he also said that God would send a prophet, and you were to listen to him (DT 18:15). On the other hand, you are not to listen to "false prophets" (Mt 7:15), a message from Yeshua. I think you are more than a little confused. If you don't want to listen to the prophets of God, well that is fine and dandy, but when the sky begins to fall, make sure you find a deep hole to hide in. (Rev 6:16-17). As for Moses directly, Yeshua said the Pharisees sit in Mose's seat, and therefore you are to do what they say, just do not do what they do. Which is to say they are hypocrites, but according to Yeshua, you have to surpass their righteousness (Mt 5:20) to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 23:1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.…

    New American Standard Bible Dt 18:15
    "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.
     
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  3. Phantasman

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    Sky begins to fall?

    The Jews talked this way because they didn't know God. God cannot be seen nor heard.
    John 5:
    And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

    Yet the Jews "heard" him, saw him. They heard something (Act 7) but it wasn't God the Father. We can only "know" of him. He is too far above us. The Jews thought their god was for Israel. Jesus, as well as Paul, pulled that idea "from them" and gave it to the world. Paul to the Gentiles. The Jews hated the Gentiles and Paul for doing so. They thought since Jesus was born of a Jew, that only they had god. But Jesus was born of Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was his true mother.

    You don't see it. You follow the Jews. You hate the Spirit (that instructed Paul).

    John:
    34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
    35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

    Until you understand that the Jews had (have) nothing to offer, you will follow them.

    Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

    Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Paul uses the word "Spirit" (capital S). The prophets never knew or had the Spirit. Jesus gave the Spirit. I follow the Spirit over the Jews who rejected the Spirit.

    I'll take my chances with the Spirit that taught the gnosis I need to the Christians who accepted it.
     
  4. 2ndpillar

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    As Yeshua already said, "the time is near", "let those who does wrong, still do wrong" (Rev 22:11). Hey, you have my permission to take whatever path you choose. You seem to like the "broad" "way" to "destruction" (Mt 7:13), hey that is fine by me. I am just throwing out where you are spewing nonsense and claiming to be under the influence of the same "spirit" as the false prophet Paul. I agree, you are following the same "demon" "spirit" that led the false prophet Paul. Paul is now dead and his "false prophet" "demon spirit", is gathering the "kings of the whole world" to "Har-Magedon". (Rev 16:13-19). Those with the "mark of the beast" and his "false prophet", will have to drink the wine of the wrath of God (Rev 14:10). Personally, I am a grape juice kind of guy.
     
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    I'll tell Paul you said hi, when I join him.
     
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    You do know, that the "false prophet" apparently has a room reserved as the Lava Hotel & Spa, better know as the "lake of fire" (Rev 20:10).
     
  7. Phantasman

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    Only if you believe Revelations is a prophesy, which most early Christians didn't.
    When the Spirit is within you, truth is revealed. Not like the OT Jews who had the spirit come "upon" them. The kingdom of God is within you. There is no "lake of fire" within. Just those who see outside.

    The word "fire" evades you. How does fire baptize you when you fear it? Keep seeking. You see small parts of a bigger picture. I have already died. Yet you try to make me fear death, as the orthodox do. The devil has his way with those who seek life.

    "The Lord answered and said: "Truly I say to you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the Kingdom of God. Therefore, become seekers for death, just as the dead who seek for life, for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to concern them? When you turn yourselves towards death, it will make known to you election. In truth I say to you, none of those who are afraid of death will be saved. For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who have put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit."- Secret James

    Like the orthodox, you use (and see) the stick rather than the carrot. You lack understanding of death, which is life.
     
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    You take your quotes from some unknown source and attribute them to God. You might want to come out from behind that tree and actually note your sources. See as follows, a quote which shines on you:

    John 3:19-21 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
     
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    I read what the Spirit reveals, not men. Only the priests forbid such reading. I don't follow priests. Priests were responsible for killing Christ.

    You should follow the verse you quoted from John. Christ is the light. The Jews were in darkness. The Jews hated the light (Christ). Yet you follow them.

    Paul:
    For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
     
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    While in biblical hell - the temporary grave - Jesus was dead the day he died according to what Jesus taught.
    While dead, Jesus believed in sleep in death at John 11:11-14.
    Jesus taught the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach sleep in death - Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
    So, other than Jesus short time in the grave ( KJV hell) mankind has a future resurrection.
    That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

    Unlike Daniel and King David ( who did Not ascend as per Acts of the Apostles 2:34 ) who are still asleep in the grave, the God of Jesus resurrected the dead un-conscious Jesus a few days after his death.
    God resurrected Jesus back to his pre-human spirit body, whereas Daniel and David, like us, do Not have pre-human bodies. Jesus' coming in kingdom glory, then the the majority of mankind can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection when as Revelation 22:2 shows there will be 'healing for earth's nations'. Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefit of healing when No one on Earth will say, " I am sick...." - Isaiah 33:24; Isaiah 25:8; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
     
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    God's spirit said to listen to: His Son.
    I find the Transfiguration scene we must remember was a VISION (Matthew 17:9) and Not a real happening.
    The real happening happens at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth at the coming time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 when Jesus comes in glory.
     
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    I find according to Scripture Adam was created to live here on Earth 'forever' as long as he did Not break God's Law.
    Earth would have to be here in order for Adam to have everlasting life to live forever on Earth.
    King Solomon, known for his wisdom, wrote at Ecclesiastes 1:4 B that the Earth abides forever.
    So, the wickedness on Earth does Not make planet Earth responsible for what man does - Revelation 11:18 B.
    So, when Jesus' promised that humble meek people would inherit the Earth he meant forever - Psalms 37:9-11,29.
    There is No Expiration Date for Earth according to Psalms 104:5; Solidly fixed Earth as per Psalms 119:90.
    ALL the Earth is stable according to 1 Chronicles 16:30, so it will Not totter.
    The Earth can Not be moved as per Psalms 93:1 and Psalms 96:10.
    God formed the Earth to be inhabited, Not destroyed, as per Isaiah 45:18.
    Rather, it is the wicked who will be destroyed forever as Per Psalms 92:7 and Not the Earth.

    So, according to Scripture, what will become extinct are people who want to ruin Earth, and Not Earth itself.
    During Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth mankind will learn more about how God purposes that Earth and life on Earth will remain and exist forever. so, what is taught as improvable does Not mean impossible.
     
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    You seem to be trying to build a universe out of 2 or 3 half Lego blocks. The OT fits together as one piece, not a couple of half quotes.

    As for Genesis 12:3, the ones blessed are those "who bless you". As for Genesis 22:18, Gen 22:17-18 reads, " I will greatly multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, ....and they shall possess the gates of their enemies. 18. And in your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice". In order for the nations of the earth to be blessed, they must bless the family of Abraham. Look around, the nations curse Israel, and things won't go well for them in the "day of the LORD".(Jeremiah 30:11)

    As for Isaiah 33:24, look to: Isaiah 33:20-24,"Look upon Zion, the city of our appointed feasts; your eyes shall see Jerusalem an undisturbed habitation....then the prey of the abundant spoil will be divided;... and no resident will say, 'I am sick'; The people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity". This is in respect to those in Jerusalem, not "all the families of the earth"

    As for Revelation 22:2, is with respect to "river of the water of life" which is for "healing". One must be "sick" to require healing.

    As for Isaiah 25:8, look to Isaiah 24:21-23:8, whereas "the LORD will punish the host of heaven, on high, and the kings of the earth, on earth......for thou hast made a city into a heap....thou dost subdue the uproar of the aliens;........and the LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all the people on the mountain....and He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth". This is with respect to "His people", the people on the "mountain of God". Which would pretty much preclude most of those who follow the false prophet, and carry the mark of the beast.

    And the prayer of David was that the LORD not abandon him in Sheol (Psalms 16:9) If someone kills you, you will begin to smell before 3 days and 3 nights. The same applies to Daniel.

    Psalms 16: 9 Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoices; My flesh also will dwell securely. 10 For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; Nor will You allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. 11 You will make known to me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; In Your right hand there are pleasures forever.…
     
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    The Spirit gives us images. It's the only way we can know truth.

    Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way. There is a rebirth and an image of rebirth. It is certainly necessary to be born again through the image. Which one? Resurrection. The image must rise again through the image. The bridal chamber and the image must enter through the image into the truth: this is the restoration. Not only must those who produce the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, do so, but have produced them for you. If one does not acquire them, the name ("Christian") will also be taken from him.- Gospel of Philip

    Names and words aren't truth, because they can be changed, added to or taken from, unless the Spirit produces the image for you. Surely, what happened with the Disciples and Paul were taking place in their mind. This is where the Spirit reveals.


    9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
    10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?
    11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision -Gospel of Mary

    These (outer) gospels, as well as other non canon scriptures, give the Canon gospels what they are missing to bring a completeness in understanding spiritual knowledge. In my view.
     
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    Thank you for noting your sources (Gospel of Philip and Mary). Sorry I must disagree. The Spirit of God gives enlightenment (1 John 2:27). While during the period of Joel 2:29, dreams/visions, might happen, it is not protocol (Zechariah 13:4). Apparently, in your case, these visions have had no positive affect that I can detect.
     
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    I know. Zechariah and Joel speak before the Holy Spirit was given to mankind. Philip and Mary received the Holy Spirit from Jesus. It's why you can't understand the Spirit. You favor those who didn't have (OT) and hate those that did (Paul, Philip, Mary, John, Matthew, Thomas, etc.).

    But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.- Romans

    To you, these words are from the devil. The word Spirit isn't in the OT (capital S). Yet All of the Gospels, canon and non, as well as Paul, speak of the Spirit. Jesus is with the Father. The Spirit is all we have.
     
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    If you think the judges, prophets, and kings of Israel were not anointed, then you are in error. Moses spoke directly to God, something you appear to only claim to do in your dreams. Apparently Abraham had supper with the Lord, and the LORD spoke directly to Abraham.

    Genesis 12:1-3,7. Now the LORD had said to Abram, Get you out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father's house, to a land that I will show you:

    Genesis 18:13," And the LORD said to Abraham, Why did Sarah laugh?

    As for you quoting the false prophet Paul, it appears you have the same spirit as he does, which would not be good for you (Revelation 16:13-16). If you were of the light, you wouldn't have to seek out the darkness to bolster your weak foundation. But feel free to travel the road you have chosen (Rev 22:11), for the "time is near".
     
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    There is no gospel in your post. None, Jesus said Abraham didn't get his bread from heaven, so listen to him if you wish. Jesus said no man has heard the Fathers voice, yet you believe Abraham did.

    1 John:
    5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
    6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    Christ says to seek first the kingdom of God (spirit)and you look for the "land" of Abraham.

    John 5:
    And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

    If Abraham heard and saw God, then Jesus must be lying?

    Get behind me.
     
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    Now you are a comedian. Even Moses heard the voice of God. Who do you think told Moses to go to the Pharaoh (Ex 3:10-11). Now you can say the bush was hiding an angel of the LORD or whatever, but Moses, Abraham, and Elijah, were all found acceptable to God. What remains in question, is how you are doing. You are comparing the Jews to Moses, Abraham, and the prophets. The Jews were in the dark because of the Pharisees. You apparently are in the dark because of the Pharisee of Pharisees, and apparently by some unspecified 6 women. I think you are highly confused, much less "deceived" (Revelation 13:14).

    New American Standard Bible Ex 3:6
    He said also, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
     
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