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Featured What must one do to prepare for the "awesome day of the "LORD"

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Phantasman

    Phantasman Well-Known Member

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    Revelations is not gospel. Gospel means good news (of truth). Lay up treasures in heaven and things like "lake of fire" isn't there. You seem to seek judgement(s) more than spiritual gnosis (knowledge).

    1 John 4:
    There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fearhath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

    You want me to live in fear. You show me torment. They left me long ago. I welcome death, not fear it. You seem obsessed with it, using fear as a stick to the carrot as the orthodox teach to have great power over people.

    The Lord answered and said: "Truly I say to you, none will be saved unless they believe in my cross. But those who have believed in my cross, theirs is the Kingdom of God. Therefore, become seekers for death, just as the dead who seek for life, for that which they seek is revealed to them. And what is there to concern them? When you turn yourselves towards death, it will make known to you election. In truth I say to you, none of those who are afraid of death will be saved. For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who have put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit."- Secret James

    Your ignorance of death is obvious. Death is (true) life.
     
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    I don't think they were burning Bibles back then, so I'm not sure your reference. But the good news is, without having qualified interpreters of scripture trained for the job to keep any fool from reading their own nonsense out of the Bible, you ended up with thousands of little cults each claiming to read hidden truths from scripture the other more qualified experts missed, affecting countless lives for the worse. Or is that good news? Oh well, toss yet one more into the heap of nonsense. :)
     
  3. URAVIP2ME

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    I find Jesus was certain as to what happens after death.
    Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach un-conscious sleep in death:
    - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5

    So, the day Jesus' died he went to the grave (Acts of the Apostles 2:27) until his God resurrected Jesus.
     
  4. 2ndpillar

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    What keeps one from understanding, as stated in Daniel 12:10, is that the "wicked" cannot understand. That is why Yeshua spoke in parables. Only those with ears to hear can understand. Those who follow the false prophet Paul, by definition are among the "wicked", for they neither keep the Law, as he told them they were "released from the Law" (Romans 7:6), and they don't "understand" the "prophets" as well. They are a bunch of blind scoffers, leading each other into the holes along the way. The problem with Paul and his followers, is that when they cause the "little ones" to stumble, it would have been better if they had not been born.(Mt 18:6)
     
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    I never said according to me, I said according to the teachings of Christ, according to Scripture.
    We are nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, when the ' powers that be ' will be saying " Peace and Security " but that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill. Mankind's history has proven that over thousands of years that man can Not direct his step, and that is why God will have Jesus step in to rescue (deliver/ save) righteous mankind.
     
  6. 2ndpillar

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    That is were we differ. Without a unified church sitting on the beast (Rev 17:3), backed by the full power of the Holy Roman Empire, then the burning of books, and people had to stop. The "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, who instituted the Roman church, started by burning the books of Arius, and threatening to kill anyone caught with one of those writings. While there may be around 38,000 different sects, none come to mind that are as bad as the Holy Roman Catholic Church, historically speaking, and in the present.
     
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    You need to read the Book of Mormon. According to that source, Yeshua wasn't resting. Now according to Daniel 12:13, Daniel is resting. On the other hand, apparently Yeshua didn't join Daniel, and is sitting on the right hand of God. You can't define the path of Yeshua, by the path of Daniel.
     
  8. A Vestigial Mote

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    I'll amend:

    According to someone/something that has proven far less than "spot on" in many other cases: going to happen
    According to me: not going to happen

    Not exactly putting this all in a better light from that perspective...
     
  9. Phantasman

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    John:
    For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    The Holy Spirit told us to follow/hear Christ, and not Moses or Elias. They didn't have the truth. The truth (of God) came by Christ.

    Romans:
    I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

    No OT author says this. Truth came by Christ, not the OT fathers. I have shown over and over the scriptures of the followers of Christ. The Jews couldn't save themselves, nor did the god they believed in saved them. They were saved by Christ while they slept in Hades. Matthew. Why would you follow them that died?

    Your choice.
     
  10. 2ndpillar

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    The Law and the prophets are the Word of God. Yeshua is simply the Word of God made flesh. As for Paul and his conscience, give me a break. Romans 7:18, "nothing good dwells in me". Romans 7:25," I am serving" the "law of sin" with "my flesh".

    And the Jews could save themselves, they could turn from "wickedness" to "righteousness". Ez 13:27," when a wicked man turns from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his live".

    You have been duped. "Everyone dies for their own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30). If someone says you will not die, they are a liar. Whether you live again, that is another matter, but as the "time is near", things aren't looking good (Rev 22:10). The Pharisees were at least sharp enough to see the "wrath to come" and apparently repented and got baptized. (Mt 3:7) They were told that if they didn't produce fruit with respect to their repentance, that they would be chopped down and thrown into the fire (Mt 3:8-10).
     
  11. 12jtartar

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    2ndpillar,
    Why did you ask a very perceptive question, as if you really want to know the truth of God’s word, and then make statements that could not be further from the truth. Truth is vital for any future with God, John 4:23,24, 17:17, 2Thessalonians 2:8-13.
    That awesome Day you speak about is called Harmagedon, in Revelation 16:16. This is the time Jesus comes back to this earth, with his Holy Angels, Matthew 25:31-46. This Awesome Day is spoken of in many places, but it will be a Judgement Day for all who do not KNOW God, and do not obey the lord, Jesus. Christ, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10. When the Bible says Know God, it means much more than just knowing His Holy NAME, Jehovah, it means to Know Him WELL, John 17:3, Hebrews 11:6, Acts 17:24-31.
    I believe you make your greatest mistake, when you speak wrongly of Paul, an Apostle, Anointed and appointed,by The Almighty God, and used to write 14 Sacred Books of The Holy Bible, Romans 1:1, 1Corinthians 1:1, 2Corinthians 1:1, Galatians 1:1, Ephesians 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1Timothy 1:1, 12-16, 2Timothy 1:1, Titus 1:1. Keep in mind that God, Himself said that He would protect His sayings, from all generations, and Jesus said that God’s word is truth, Psalms 12:6,7, John 17:17.
    Consider how Paul was a special teacher of Christianity, so much so that Jesus, after his death, gave Paul all his knowledge through revelation by Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11,12, 1Corinthians 15:1-10. Later, in Paul’s ministers, he was still in favor with God, Acts 19:11-16.
    Paul was, by far the greatest teacher of Christianity, and of the way that God wanted the Christian Congregations to act. The knowledge written in Romans, 1st & 2nd Corinthians and Hebrews, is unequaled, probably anywhere.
    If you ever expect to understand God’s words, Paul’s writings explain things throughly, if you just take the time to meditate on what Paul wrote. Paul was guided by the Holy Spirit when writing, as were the other Bible writers, and God would NEVER have allowed 14 of the Books of the Holy Bible to be written by Paul, and accepted into the Bible Canon, if Paul was not a True Apostle and Christian, 2Timothy 3:16,17, 2Peter 1:20,21.
     
  12. 2ndpillar

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    As for God allowing "those who dwell on the earth" to be "deceived" by the "beast" and his "false prophet", he prophesized it (Revelation 13:14). As for the "tare" seed being mixed with the "good seed", and the chaff having to be removed from the wheat, Yeshua preached about it. Remember, Peter was to be sifted by Satan according to Luke 22:31. Apparently Satan left in the chaff, as according to Zech 11:17, Peter is still referred to as the "worthless shepherd". . All your presumptions are based on the self witnessing of Paul, and some unknown writer of 2 Peter. According to Yeshua, self witnessing is "not true", and anyone claiming "He is in the wilderness", "do not believe them" (Mt 24:26). This is the "end of the age", and those who promote "lawlessness" (Romans 7:6), will be gathered out and "cast into the furnace of fire" (Mt 13:41-42). Make sure you are wearing your flame proof long johns. Any tree without "good fruit" will be cut down and thrown into the fire, regardless of whatever false prophet they may believe.
     
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    Someone gave the answer already, but I suppose the one's left have to figure out what's going to happen. It may be darkness falls over the earth and the universe gets shaken like never before via gamma ray burst. For the believers, they have to know the difference between rapture and the second coming similar but separate events during the end times.
     
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    If you believe in today's science, then here are some end times scenarios and explanations. I suppose we all know the earth will experience an extinction event some time in the future, but know not when. Maybe we'll have tested nuclear weapons on an asteroid by then, so it shouldn't be included.

     
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    The rapture per Matthew 13:30, is when the "tares"/"wicked" are "first" gathered up, bundled, and tossed into the fire. It is then that the wheat is gathered into the barn, which would refer to Ezekiel 36:24.

    New American Standard Bible Matthew 13:30
    'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
     
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    You believe as the Jews. They said the same "exact" thing about death.

    John 8:
    Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

    You are calling the words of Christ a devil (by separating Paul and calling him the devil). The Jews hated Paul. The Jews concocted orthodoxy (Galatians 1- the false gospel). Go circumcise your flesh and follow Moses. It's the Jews way. Robbers and thieves. Abraham and the prophets are dead. No one enters the Kingdom except through the son (Christ).

    John 10:
    All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    The savior said "ALL", not all but the prophets, or all but Ezekiel. ALL. You try to get in some other way:
    10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber

    2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

    I don't need anything in the OT. Only Christ is the door. If Ezekiel knew the way, why did Christ come and die? Ezekiel saves no one. Follow him like the Jews do if you wish.

    9 I am the door

    You WANT orthodoxy to work. You WANT me to see something other than Christ. To me, HE is the way. The only way. I need nothing of the books that led the Jews to kill Christ or reject him. That's playing with fire, IMO.
     
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    Apparently Paul didn't "keep my sayings" for he is dead. You will die as well. Apparently, you didn't keep Yeshua's saying either. Yeshua's saying was to "enter into life" one must "keep the Commandments" (Mt 19:17). That must have been your "stumbling block".

    It is Paul who turned on the Jews, because they knew he was a liar. Yeshua was a little more laissez faire. If they ain't against me, they must be for me. Your followers of Paul kept the testimony of Yeshua on the book shelves, even if they didn't understand what Yeshua was saying (Daniel 12:10). In the long run, that was good over all, if maybe it won't work out well for the followers of Paul, in the long run. The tare seed is only palatable for those in the darkness. Those of the light would at least sense the hypocrisy of the whole thing, and possible jump out from in front of the coming train at the last moment.

    As for what the Jews said in John 8, well, you have to take that with a grain of salt. Yeshua said, one will live even if he dies. (John 11:25)

    New American Standard Bible John 11:25
    Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,
     
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    FINALLY got a PS4 and will let Jesus play Assassin's Creed: Origins when he shows up. Hope he doesn't mind me playing it while I wait.
     
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    What I take with a grain of salt is the ones before Christ (truth) came to pull me backwards into the ignorance of him. Your path and mine will not change. I gave up dwelling in the arena that influenced the Jews to kill Jesus. Tread there if you will. I'll follow Christ who said teach the "gospel", like Paul did. Not the Bible as the orthodox do.

    Go your way in peace. Debate over.
     
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    The gospel of "repent; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand", is not your self professed apostle's false gospel of grace. It was the Pharisees who induced the Romans/Gentiles to crucify Christ, to fulfill Scripture. It was your leader and teacher, the Pharisee Paul, who persecuted and killed the messengers of God (Mt 23:23-35). God sent his messenger Yeshua, to say "keep on listening, but do not perceive" (Mt 13:13) & (Isaiah 6:9). Both the Jews and the followers of the false prophet Paul, stumble over the "rock".

    How long will this condition persist? "Until the land is utterly desolate" (Isaiah 6:11).
     
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