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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by We Never Know, Jul 24, 2021.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    If John Doe believes in a god and you don't, why does what's he believes in matter so much to you?

    Evidence for a god can neither show a god does or doesn't exist.

    The arguement of both has to come from a belief because neither have supporting evidence(a god can neither be proven or disproven)

    So my question is what makes anyone think their belief is stronger than the belief of others?
     
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  2. Snow White

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    I prefer to go all Pontius Pilate for this question in potential agreement - "What is truth?"
     
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  3. We Never Know

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    And what makes your truth different than the truth of others? Different lives bring different truth's.
     
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    What is truth?
     
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    You tell me. You brought it up.
     
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    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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  7. We Never Know

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  8. Snow White

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    The best way I can describe it is... and sorry if I'm getting this wrong or wrong in certain translations....

    Jesus said something like "I am the way, the truth, the life."

    Pontius Pilate said, "What is truth?"

    So I'm actually saying I don't have the answers.

    So...

    What is truth?
     
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    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    It doesn't. 99.9% (not a real estimate) of the time I think most atheists don't care.

    Personally, I'm curious if people believe the god many atheist say theist believe in. Do some theist believe God is an actual being or entity?

    So far I haven't heard so. Outside of stagnated curiosity, I don't believe matters.
     
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  10. We Never Know

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    So like me, in some(many) things we don't know what is truth. We can only go by what others say or portray is truth.
    Which goes back to " my question is what makes anyone think their belief is stronger than the belief of others?"
     
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    I can't say my beliefs are stronger because first we'd have to define truth.
     
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    A god cannot be shown to exist or not exist so I sometimes wonder how anyone can be sure about something that cant be shown.
     
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    Are beliefs about truth's or just about beliefs?
     
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    Without truth, the strength of a debater / debate comes down to whom is the better arguer.
     
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    Yes. If I caught a record breaking bass, but it jumped out my boat... Did it happen or not?
    Sometimes things did happen but can't be proven and people get tired of arguing and just give up. Its still doesn't mean it didn't happen.
     
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    Everything matters. Nothing is real.


    Or is that the other way round?
     
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    It doesn't matter to me if people believe in gods. Just how they treat others.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    1. Total absence of evidence with the theists which works in favor of atheists.
    2. What science has found out for creation of the universe and evolution of humans.
     
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  19. Snow White

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    In the case of the bass, it wouldn't really make a great debate subject if seeing things like a formal debate.

    It might make a good discussion though. However, sometimes people try to blur/pidgeon-hole the line between discussion/debate too. For example, if you're not careful how you word that you "caught a massive fish with no proof", some posters may still be prone to ask proof of larger, less likely claims even if it's a discussion. However if instead you ask about if others have caught large fish, and that's all, honestly it's more of a discussion to me.

    I guess I'm saying that there are some situations where making some outrageous claims with no proof, true as they might be, might not be a great post, in my opinion.

    There are some discussions that are hard to stay discussions though, too. If I post in a non-debate board "Lord Shiva manifested himself in the flesh, kissed me, and now I think we're getting married!" that'd be like I was just asking for it, and asking for a grilling from people.

    My statements are just my personal opinion.
     
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    2) Their Interpretation of the word belief
     
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