What Makes Something Sacred?

[Thief]

Picture this...try hard....

You're on your knees before an object....when an angel comes along.
He will tell you to 'get up'.

If you turn and kneel to him....he will tell you to 'get up'.

Your knees belong to God....no one, and nothing else.

 

[blackout]

Picture this...try hard....

You're on your knees before an object....when an angel comes along.
He will tell you to 'get up'.

If you turn and kneel to him....he will tell you to 'get up'.

Your knees belong to God....no one, and nothing else.

A lot of flooring and tile layers are going to find themselves unemployed.
probably plumbers too.

 

[McBell]

Picture this...try hard....

You're on your knees before an object....when an angel comes along.
He will tell you to 'get up'.

If you turn and kneel to him....he will tell you to 'get up'.

Your knees belong to God....no one, and nothing else.

empty rhetoric.

Or sermon...

Same thing really.

 

[Draka]

Picture this...try hard....

You're on your knees before an object....when an angel comes along.
He will tell you to 'get up'.

If you turn and kneel to him....he will tell you to 'get up'.

Your knees belong to God....no one, and nothing else.

How do you purport to know?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Assuming at least some things are sacred, what makes them sacred? What makes something profane? If it is as simple as "god makes things sacred" then why is the notion of the sacred present in animism (which lacks a notion of god)?

We do.

A closely related question: What does it mean to say that something is sacred?

Something that is set apart for specific, often ritualistic purposes.

 

[Charity]

I was always under the impression that "marriage" was sacred...WOW have I had a great awakening I now have found independence to be "sacred" along with my chocolates, of course

 

[doppelganger]

Assuming at least some things are sacred, what makes them sacred?

A relatively limited set of tools developed for self-reflection?

A closely related question: What does it mean to say that something is sacred?

It is placed beyond approach in unapproved ways.

 

[Willamena]

It is placed beyond approach in unapproved ways.

Unapproved by whom?

 

[doppelganger]

Unapproved by whom?

The keeper(s) of the sacred, obviously.

 

[Thief]

Are we getting any closer?
If politics, the military and the economy hold nothing sacred....
(and they don't)
Then an item considered sacred pertains to spirit.

How about your beliefs?....dreams?....mind and heart?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Are we getting any closer?
If politics, the military and the economy hold nothing sacred....
(and they don't)
Then an item considered sacred pertains to spirit.

I don't see how politics, the military and the economy could be capable of holding anything as either sacred or profane. I think that only individual humans can view something as sacred.

That's how I think of it anyway. It's an adjective. People use adjectives to decribe nouns.

I say it's a sacred stone. You may consider it a profane stone.

 

[Thief]

I don't see how politics, the military and the economy could be capable of holding anything as either sacred or profane. I think that only individual humans can view something as sacred.

That's how I think of it anyway. It's an adjective. People use adjectives to decribe nouns.

I say it's a sacred stone. You may consider it a profane stone.

You got part of it right.
But that you call a stone sacred....
would be a spiritual act upon a dead item.

That would indeed be profane.

 

[blackout]

You got part of it right.
But that you call a stone sacred....
would be a spiritual act upon a dead item.

That would indeed be profane.

Things are only as dead as your spirit'U'All Image'I'nation.

Dead imaginations, tend to see dead profane items all about them.
They are told, only this and that are sacred,
so they bow to their chosen doctrinal literalism instead.

Even jesus knew that rocks and stones (in particular) are not dead items.
neither, keys, nor bread, nor water, wine, yeast.... or even mud.

Funny how so many of his 'followers' do not.

 

[chinu]

Assuming at least some things are sacred, what makes them sacred? What makes something profane? If it is as simple as "god makes things sacred" then why is the notion of the sacred present in animism (which lacks a notion of god)?
A closely related question: What does it mean to say that something is sacred?

By touching, seeing, eating, smelling, hearing or singing anyTHING, our remembrance moves towards God, that THING is sacred.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You got part of it right.
But that you call a stone sacred....
would be a spiritual act upon a dead item.

That would indeed be profane.

Unless things are only sacred or profane in the minds of individual people.

In other words, don't think you get to tell me what is sacred and what isn't.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You got part of it right.
But that you call a stone sacred....
would be a spiritual act upon a dead item.

That would indeed be profane.

Unless things are only sacred or profane only in the minds of individual people.

In other words, don't think you get to tell me what is sacred and what isn't.

 

[McBell]

Unless things are only sacred or profane only in the minds of individual people.

Bingo.
Although some people believe that what they consider sacred is also what their god considers sacred.
And some of those people think that what they think their god considers sacred, the whole of the world is supposed to consider sacred.

In other words, don't think you get to tell me what is sacred and what isn't.

but god considers it sacred and therefore you have to as well.
And if you don't then my god will do terrible nasty things to you.

you have been warned...

 

[Gjallarhorn]

but god considers it sacred and therefore you have to as well.
And if you don't then my god will allow terrible nasty things to happen to you of your own doing.

you have been warned...

Fixed that for you.

 

[doppelganger]

but god considers it sacred and therefore you have to as well.
And if you don't then [I will do] terrible nasty things to you [and justify it as my god doing it to you or the natural consequence of your sin against the sacred].

you have been warned...

Now it's fixed.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Assuming at least some things are sacred, what makes them sacred? What makes something profane? If it is as simple as "god makes things sacred" then why is the notion of the sacred present in animism (which lacks a notion of god)?

A closely related question: What does it mean to say that something is sacred?


Please note: Assume for the purposes of this discussion that some things can be said to be sacred. IF you want to argue that nothing is sacred, please start a new thread for that purpose.

What is "sacred" is whatever we individually or collectively attribute that meaning to.

A Holy Book.

A cow.

Marriage.

An altar.

Children.

Religious imagery.

It really is up to us to not only decide what specifically is sacred, but what that word actually means.