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What makes people homophobic?

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I, for example, do not support the LGBT community however

But what is it to support, what does support mean? Support in what way? We don't ask for donations or contributions. We don't ask for volunteers to increase our ranks. We're not trying to raise an army. What is "support"? Approval that I live with and sleep with another man? I don't need anyone's approval, because no one is paying my bills. So y'see, I don't understand it when people say they don't support or approve. :shrug:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
But what is it to support, what does support mean? Support in what way? We don't ask for donations or contributions. We don't ask for volunteers to increase our ranks. We're not trying to raise an army. What is "support"? Approval that I live with and sleep with another man? I don't need anyone's approval, because no one is paying my bills. So y'see, I don't understand it when people say they don't support or approve. :shrug:

I was reflecting on how much I actually think about this issue in real life. It's really very very little at all. On these forums, a bit, when I go see my dentist, a bit. Outside of that, zip.

Can you imagine that poor person who wakes up thinking ... "God, I pray you do something about those evil HOMOSEXUALS today!" My goodness, what a waste of time, and energy.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I was reflecting on how much I actually think about this issue in real life. It's really very very little at all. On these forums, a bit, when I go see my dentist, a bit. Outside of that, zip.

Can you imagine that poor person who wakes up thinking ... "God, I pray you do something about those evil HOMOSEXUALS today!" My goodness, what a waste of time, and energy.

Some subjects do take up altogether too much room in people's minds. I'm not sure why that is. I'm a member of Weight Watchers, but I haven't followed it or attended a meeting in forever. There's a reason I mention WW. In one weekly meeting I went to there was a woman who shared her story of why she was not able to stay on track the previous week or two. Life throws curve balls, lemons, speed bumps, all kinds of obstacles at us... it goes without saying. Her reasons as she was explaining in tears and sobbing... it was during the height of the #metoo movement and news reports about Donald The Masher Trump. I mean, seriously? This took up so much room in her head that she sabotaged her weight loss efforts? I wondered if I had missed something, because this just didn't make any sense. But yeah, I suppose there are people who do wake up every day triggered about something.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Some subjects do take up altogether too much room in people's minds. I'm not sure why that is. I'm a member of Weight Watchers, but I haven't followed it or attended a meeting in forever. There's a reason I mention WW. In one weekly meeting I went to there was a woman who shared her story of why she was not able to stay on track the previous week or two. Life throws curve balls, lemons, speed bumps, all kinds of obstacles at us... it goes without saying. Her reasons as she was explaining in tears and sobbing... it was during the height of the #metoo movement and news reports about Donald The Masher Trump. I mean, seriously? This took up so much room in her head that she sabotaged her weight loss efforts? I wondered if I had missed something, because this just didn't make any sense. But yeah, I suppose there are people who do wake up every day triggered about something.
Unhealthy stuff we speak of. Athletes overtrain, and burn out ... sheesh.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
That's nothing to be proud of. A homophobe, by definition, is someone who doesn't like gay people themselves, because of their sexual orientation, and is not restricted to homosexuality the act.

...So clearly, any "homophobe" is an absolute simpleton.

What about adulteryphobes?
What about drugaphobes?
What about later-term-abortionaphobes?
What about gunaphobes?

Sex used to be coupled to the terms commitment, love
and children.

Now it just means casual recreation - and with all the issues of
adultery, broken homes, cheating, group sex, child sex, dog sex,
polyandry, polygamy, pederasty, pornography, rape etc.. So yeah,
I am a simpleton who thinks the sexualization of society has had
serious long term consequences for everyone.
 

Earthtank

Active Member
But what is it to support, what does support mean? Support in what way? We don't ask for donations or contributions. We don't ask for volunteers to increase our ranks. We're not trying to raise an army. What is "support"? Approval that I live with and sleep with another man? I don't need anyone's approval, because no one is paying my bills. So y'see, I don't understand it when people say they don't support or approve. :shrug:

You probably don't but, you probably don't live in California either in an area where they have rallies/protests :D. Not sure if rallies is the right word but you get what i mean. Also, yes, there are many people in the LGBT community (take Don lemon for example) that take the stance of with us or against, no grey area or middle ground, they act if you are not someone that supports and pushes the LGBT agenda (or whatever you ant to call it) you are automatically homophobic, when that is far from reality.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
You probably don't but, you probably don't live in California either in an area where they have rallies/protests :D. Not sure if rallies is the right word but you get what i mean.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Also, yes, there are many people in the LGBT community (take Don lemon for example) that take the stance of with us or against, no grey area or middle ground, they act if you are not someone that supports and pushes the LGBT agenda (or whatever you ant to call it) you are automatically homophobic, when that is far from reality.

If you don't counter protest or squawk are you afraid silence gives consent? You have that same First Amendment right. What are you actually expected to do to support anything, that you don't want to do? And if you don't so this, what are the consequences? Think about it... it's rhetoric.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
What about adulteryphobes?
What about drugaphobes?
What about later-term-abortionaphobes?
What about gunaphobes?

Sex used to be coupled to the terms commitment, love
and children.

Now it just means casual recreation - and with all the issues of
adultery, broken homes, cheating, group sex, child sex, dog sex,
polyandry, polygamy, pederasty, pornography, rape etc.. So yeah,
I am a simpleton who thinks the sexualization of society has had
serious long term consequences for everyone.

But do you hate, or are you afraid of gay people? If not, you're not a homophobe. If you do, or are, then you're a homophobe.

...It sounds to me like you're actually not.
 
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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
But do you hate, or are you afraid of gay people? If not, you're not a homophobe. If you do, or are, then you're a homophobe.

...It sounds to me like you're actually not.

Some gays are friends of mine. No, don't hate gays at all.
Some people who have committed adultery are friends of mine too.

Here's the problem - you use the term "homophobe" because it's
fashionable. What you see as "truth" I see as "fashion."

Adultery, broken homes, cheating, group sex, child sex, dog sex,
pornography, prostitution and such are not hot button issues. We
tolerate, ignore or have given up on them. And we are primed to
move on to the Next Big Issue. The world's morality has become
political Group Think.
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
Some gays are friends of mine. No, don't hate gays at all.
Some people who have committed adultery are friends of mine too.

Here's the problem - you use the term "homophobe" because it's
fashionable. What you see as "truth" I see as "fashion."

Adultery, broken homes, cheating, group sex, child sex, dog sex,
pornography, prostitution and such are not hot button issues. We
tolerate, ignore or have given up on them. And we are primed to
move on to the Next Big Issue. The world's morality has become
political Group Think.

What you fail to understand is that I also view this as "fashion". I'm just here today to respond to what others lay before me.
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
As long as i am not forced to accept what they want or change how i live my life, i don't care. ...

Do you think non-Christians should be forced to accept the power-hungry yearnings of right-wing Evangelicals?
Should students be required to say the Pledge of Allegiance (the second version, the one with the unconstitutional 'under God' garbage in it)?
To stand for the national anthem?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Do you think non-Christians should be forced to accept the power-hungry yearnings of right-wing Evangelicals?
Should students be required to say the Pledge of Allegiance (the second version, the one with the unconstitutional 'under God' garbage in it)?
To stand for the national anthem?

You didn't mention power-hungry left wing Marxists. Why not?
Can't comment on pledges - I am not American.
But if I was American and didn't care for the pledge I would at
least seek not to offend others, and remind myself I live in one
of the most free, liberal and racial melting pot that most refugees
would chose over any other country.

The Left make a big thing about not offending transgender folk,
homosexuals etc.. They should show respect for democracy,
Christmas, the nation etc to show they mean it when they say we
should be correct in our thinking.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Left make a big thing about not offending transgender folk,
homosexuals etc.. They should show respect for democracy,
Christmas, the nation etc to show they mean it when they say we
should be correct in our thinking.
What makes you think they don't?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
What about adulteryphobes?
What about drugaphobes?
What about later-term-abortionaphobes?
What about gunaphobes?

Just to be clear. You are comparing homosexuality to these social problems?

What makes you think this is a fair comparison?

Sex used to be coupled to the terms commitment, love
and children.



And gays can be committed, love each other, and raise good children. So?

Now it just means casual recreation - and with all the issues of
adultery, broken homes, cheating, group sex, child sex, dog sex,
polyandry, polygamy, pederasty, pornography, rape etc.. So yeah,
I am a simpleton who thinks the sexualization of society has had
serious long term consequences for everyone.

OK, even if I agree that 'sexualization of society' is the cause of these ills (and that they are all ills), what does that have to do with the topic? None of these issues are related to homosexuality in any way.
 

Earthtank

Active Member
Do you think non-Christians should be forced to accept the power-hungry yearnings of right-wing Evangelicals?
Should students be required to say the Pledge of Allegiance (the second version, the one with the unconstitutional 'under God' garbage in it)?
To stand for the national anthem?

non sequitur and i am not a Christian.
 

tas8831

Well-Known Member
What about adulteryphobes?
What about drugaphobes?
What about later-term-abortionaphobes?
What about gunaphobes?.
More relevant and accurate comparisons might be racists, since one is not born with a gun in their hand, genetically compelled to cheat on their spouse, etc.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
More relevant and accurate comparisons might be racists, since one is not born with a gun in their hand, genetically compelled to cheat on their spouse, etc.

Yes, some Americans are racist. I saw that in West coast blacks.
And some nations are "Institutionally racist" such as Thailand and China.

But generally, when I am dealing with someone chanting "racist" I know
1 - I am dealing with a person using language as violence
2 - dealing with a person who has a Group-Think, cultural Marxist mind
3 - dealing with someone who is most likely racist themselves (think of the term "white" they use)
4 - dealing with a political hack who will refuse to properly define the term "racist"
5 - dealing with someone who is looking for a fight because they are superior to you and want you to go away.
 

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
You're just being obtuse. As well you, and others, know, "homophobia" doesn't mean a literal fear of homosexuals. It means "dislike or prejudice against homosexual people". The suffix "phobia" doesn't always mean fear, but can also mean a strong aversion to or dislike towards something.
I believe you are the one who is being obtuse.

Things like "dislike" and "prejudice" all spawn from fear.

If there was no fear in this world there would be no hate.

Let's cut through the BS, shall we?
Homosexuality isn't a practice.
Yes, it is.

Any "way of doing things" can be described as a practice.

Any type of lifestyle could be described thus.
The question is whether you bear a prejudice or dislike towards people who are homosexual.
Again, if you bear a "prejudice" or "dislike" of anyone or anything, that spawns from some kind of fear.

It is possible to disagree with the practice of homosexuality, but still love the homosexual people.

The adage "hate the sin, not the sinner" comes to mind.
 
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