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What makes people homophobic?

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Gay boys come to mind. Sodomizing pubescent boys who aren't too sure of their sexuality. Guys having sex with a pubescent girl might be in trouble, but the boys are okay 'cos we are fighting homophobia.
What the hell are you talking about? Who has said it's okay to have sex with underage boys?

I have a problem with all these kids wanting alternate sexual lives.
Well, too bad it's none of your business. Perhaps you should be less interested in the sexual lives of underage people.

Who is going to have the next generation of children. We need them to pay the pensions, run the country etc.. As it is - we just import brown people and they breed the babies for the white, fat, drug addled, pornhub generation of privileged brats.
So you're racist, ageist and homophobic?

Gotcha.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
So you're racist, ageist and homophobic?
Gotcha.

This is in reference to my remark
Who is going to have the next generation of children. We need them to pay the pensions,
run the country etc.. As it is - we just import brown people and they breed the babies for
the white, fat, drug addled, pornhub generation of privileged brats.


The question wasn't answered, "Who is going to have the next generation of children..."
We are decoupling sex from commitment and children. This effects
1 - children
2 - women

and this is why child porn has grown to epic proportions - we have created a sex
gratification society. The immigrants who have the children will determine what to do
about this. In Europe this will be Islam.
 
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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
The question wasn't answered, "Who is going to have the next generation of children..."
We are decoupling sex from commitment and children. This effects
1 - children
2 - women
Got any evidence for this? From what I understand, spreading greater understanding of sex, pregnancy and birth control leads to lowering of birth rates and a variety of social and economic improvements.

Oh, and also, the answer to your question is stupidly obvious: the next generation of children will be had by... The next generation.

and this is why child porn has grown to epic proportions - we have created a sex gratification society.
I'm not touching that one.

The immigrants who have the children will determine what to do
about this. In Europe this will be Islam.
This is called "the great replacement theory", and it is a nonsense, easily debunked conspiracy theory pedaled by white supremacists.

If you had a megaphone you could keep shouting in my face "Racist! Ageist! Homophobic!"
I didn't. I asked you if you were based on the fact that the previous paragraph you wrote was clearly racist and ageist. Maybe homophobic was a stretch, though.

See, this is a problem. You expect not to be called things even when you say things that clearly indicate that you ARE those things. Your logic is no different to this:

A: "I'm not a racist, but I'm not fond of black people."
B: "Why are you not fond of black people?"
A: "Well, I just think they have problems, and I don't like them."
B: "What problems are you referring to?"
A: "They're dumb, lazy and genetically inferior to white people."
B: "It sounds like you're a racist."
A: "HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF BEING RACIST!! WHY DO YOU PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO SCREAM 'RACIST' AT ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU! CLEARLY YOU ARE THE IRRATIONAL AND RACIST ONE!! I AM JUST BEING HONEST!!"

This is just a cheap, rhetorical tactic employed by people to try and enable them to avoid responsibility for their words. I don't play those games. If you walk like a racist, talk like a racist and act like a racist, I will feel free to believe you are racist and call you out for it.

Perhaps instead of getting defensive when people call you things, you should ask yourself what it is that you're doing that is making people call you those things.

ps the issue of whether young boys can have older gay partners is itself ageist.
No, it isn't, because it isn't based on an idea that older/younger people are inferior or incapable, it has to do with the concept of informed consent.

Consent.

And you are reported for inappropriate language.

There should be no barriers to moral behavior.
Er, no. Nobody says that.
 
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PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Got any evidence for this? From what I understand, spreading greater understanding of sex, pregnancy and birth control leads to lowering of birth rates and a variety of social and economic improvements.

Oh, and also, the answer to your question is stupidly obvious: the next generation of children will be had by... The next generation.
.

I last read that about 75% of African American children come from broken or single
parent families. This has lasting effects upon
1 - the kids
2 - the mother.

In Australia about half of all kids come from divorced parents or unmarried couples.

In 1900 the divorce rate shot up to .... 3%. And they called it an "epidemic."

Birth rates are plummeting in Western societies. It is said that if Italy, for instance,
tried to turn this around by having every Italian have two or more children, it would
not be enough to correct the death spiral. Same for Japan. Getting that way every
where.

IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS.
Yet it can destroy us - no firemen, few soldiers, few tradesmen, people walking off
the farm, taxes going through the roof as fewer workers must care for an ever
growing army of retirees, schools closing, industries shifting out etc..

No, the next generation of kids could be had (in Europe) by Middle East and North
African immigrants. These people do not respect the values of Europeans and will
create of Europe another Middle East - eventually. For the remaining Europeans
this will not be pretty.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
I didn't. I asked you if you were based on the fact that the previous paragraph you wrote was clearly racist and ageist. Maybe homophobic was a stretch, though.
.

These terms are a replacement for argument.
You vilify as evil anyone who disputes your point.
And usually, the person vilifying is the one who is actually at fault.
This is where you get this "white supremacy" latest buzz word from -
it's racist, and men hating from women fighting "sexism", "diversity"
calls from people shutting down debate and alternate beliefs,
"equality" from people wanting the rule over you, "peace" from
people who support every violent regime in the world and so on,
so on.
Psychologists call this "Projection" or "Transference."
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
I'm not touching that one.
And you are reported for inappropriate language.

In regards to "and this is why child porn has grown to epic proportions -
we have created a sex gratification society."

Eventually, in an ever growing sexualized culture, your whole society
resembles a pornhub world. We have cases reported of children sending
nude images when they are not old enough "to hold hands"
(Australian newspaper) Same newspaper last week reported that if ALL
the resources of our Federal govt could not stop the avalanche of child
porn. Another article spoke of efforts to override the wishes of parents
concerning transgender with minors (you can see where THIS one will
lead to, can't you?)

Yes in the PC culture everything you don't want to hear can be called
inappropriate. The people tearing strips off everyone else's rights can
flee to a trigger warning room where warm fuzzy pets are there to be
patted.
(but wait... you are not supposed to call them 'pets' but 'companion
animals' now. Pets is SPECIST !!!!!

ps I got this message
*The infraction for rule 5 that you previously received was a mistake. That
infraction has been deleted and replaced by a 0-point warning.*
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
In regards to "and this is why child porn has grown to epic proportions -
we have created a sex gratification society."

Eventually, in an ever growing sexualized culture, your whole society
resembles a pornhub world. We have cases reported of children sending
nude images when they are not old enough "to hold hands"
(Australian newspaper) Same newspaper last week reported that if ALL
the resources of our Federal govt could not stop the avalanche of child
porn. Another article spoke of efforts to override the wishes of parents
concerning transgender with minors (you can see where THIS one will
lead to, can't you?)

Yes in the PC culture everything you don't want to hear can be called
inappropriate. The people tearing strips off everyone else's rights can
flee to a trigger warning room where warm fuzzy pets are there to be
patted.
(but wait... you are not supposed to call them 'pets' but 'companion
animals' now. Pets is SPECIST !!!!!
Uhh Aussie here. We can’t stop child porn for the simple fact that the internet is simply too big of a resource to fully control. We can and are making every effort to curtail and “delete” international child pornography and it’s networks. But like the international sex trade, it will be forever an ongoing battle. Just like we will never truly be rid of people who commit crimes, but we are always fighting that battle. What that has to do with homosexuality is beyond me, since adult sexual orientations are between consenting adults. Including things like polyamory/polygamy.

Got links to these articles, by the way?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Uhh Aussie here. We can’t stop child porn for the simple fact that the internet is simply too big of a resource to fully control. We can and are making every effort to curtail and “delete” international child pornography and it’s networks. But like the international sex trade, it will be forever an ongoing battle. Just like we will never truly be rid of people who commit crimes, but we are always fighting that battle. What that has to do with homosexuality is beyond me, since adult sexual orientations are between consenting adults. Including things like polyamory/polygamy.

Got links to these articles, by the way?

You can't get links to the Australian as it is behind a pay wall.
I get the a.c.t.u.a.l... p.a.p.e.r... and frankly, my eyes are just
getting used to reading things on a screen now !!!!!!
Found the article to be strange, personally.

What has all this to do with homosexuality? A professor of a
Georgian University USA claimed in a paper that in 1900 the
feminist movement was considered beyond the pale to most
people. And in 1950 people felt the same about homosexuality.
Both are mainstream now. This guy wrote that in a similar vein
child porn or pederasty (I can't recall which - Time article 1990's)
would be mainstream.
Georgian State Govt could not dismiss the African American
professor, but it removed 50k from that university's annual
budget as a gesture that it didn't want to pay this man's salary.

Georgia was one of the first American states to begin watering
down child porn laws (ie possession of child porn on hard disk
drives technicalities.)

I believe that child porn will be accepted like adult porn is now
accepted. And I believe that after polygamy is accepted there
could be a campaign to legitimize - decriminalize - reword -
pederasty.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
You can't get links to the Australian as it is behind a pay wall.
I get the a.c.t.u.a.l... p.a.p.e.r... and frankly, my eyes are just
getting used to reading things on a screen now !!!!!!
Found the article to be strange, personally.

What has all this to do with homosexuality? A professor of a
Georgian University USA claimed in a paper that in 1900 the
feminist movement was considered beyond the pale to most
people. And in 1950 people felt the same about homosexuality.
Both are mainstream now. This guy wrote that in a similar vein
child porn or pederasty (I can't recall which - Time article 1990's)
would be mainstream.
Georgian State Govt could not dismiss the African American
professor, but it removed 50k from that university's annual
budget as a gesture that it didn't want to pay this man's salary.

Georgia was one of the first American states to begin watering
down child porn laws (ie possession of child porn on hard disk
drives technicalities.)

I believe that child porn will be accepted like adult porn is now
accepted. And I believe that after polygamy is accepted there
could be a campaign to legitimize - decriminalize - reword -
pederasty.
Okay but why? Draw me a map. Because I don’t see it.
We haven’t really budged on age of consent. In fact over the intervening years many places have even increased the age of consent laws and put in by law ever stronger protections for minors. (Work rights for example.) As we learn more and more about childhood development, we continue to steer away from condoning sex between minors and adults due to our greater understanding of power dynamics and it’s affects on children in particular. This is actually the opposite response society had towards feminism and homosexuality. Feminism argued that the prevailing social notion that women were inherently inferior was unjustifiable and as we studied more and more about the sexes, society agreed.
With homosexuality, the prevailing notion was that it was due to abuse and some kind of disorder. As we studied the phenomenon it became clear to us that such notions were not based on any quantifiable evidence. And thus support for the decriminalisation increased, because that’s what the science lead us to. Science conversely says the opposite of minors and consent. They cannot consent, they are harmed by sexual relationships and even adolescents need to be careful about their relationships with older persons.
I mean I’m sorry, but it looks like a slippery slope fallacy from where I sit.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Gay boys come to mind. Sodomizing pubescent boys who aren't too sure of their
sexuality. Guys having sex with a pubescent girl might be in trouble, but the boys
are okay 'cos we are fighting homophobia.

I have a problem with all these kids wanting alternate sexual lives. Who is going
to have the next generation of children. We need them to pay the pensions, run
the country etc.. As it is - we just import brown people and they breed the babies
for the white, fat, drug addled, pornhub generation of privileged brats.

Did you really write that with a straight (definitely no pun intended) face?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Okay but why? Draw me a map. Because I don’t see it.
We haven’t really budged on age of consent. In fact over the intervening years many places have even increased the age of consent laws and put in by law ever stronger protections for minors. (Work rights for example.) As we learn more and more about childhood development, we continue to steer away from condoning sex between minors and adults due to our greater understanding of power dynamics and it’s affects on children in particular. This is actually the opposite response society had towards feminism and homosexuality. Feminism argued that the prevailing social notion that women were inherently inferior was unjustifiable and as we studied more and more about the sexes, society agreed.
With homosexuality, the prevailing notion was that it was due to abuse and some kind of disorder. As we studied the phenomenon it became clear to us that such notions were not based on any quantifiable evidence. And thus support for the decriminalisation increased, because that’s what the science lead us to. Science conversely says the opposite of minors and consent. They cannot consent, they are harmed by sexual relationships and even adolescents need to be careful about their relationships with older persons.
I mean I’m sorry, but it looks like a slippery slope fallacy from where I sit.

"Slippery slopes" are a form of fallacy, only when they are not....
Tasmanian "gay movement" in the 1980's sought "decriminalization" for homosexuality
(that word 'homosexuality' is quietly disappearing, notice?) The movement declared it
had nothing to do with teaching homosexuality in class room, homosexual marriages
etc.. But as soon as the law was changed so too was the mind of the activists.
Just like the promise that "gay marriage" won't lead to attacks on religious freedoms -
freedoms which were challenged during the election itself.

Pederasty isn't pedophilia. You will see a new name for this - social engineering is
always preceded by language engineering.
Pederasty could come through various channels - here are a few I suggest:
1 - children's rights - being challenged here over the "right" to transgender surgery at the moment - over the authority of parents
2 - sexualization of children - the campaign to stop kiddy beauty contests was ridiculed to extinction - that's a pointer to the future
3 - lowering of the age of women in sexualized movies
4 - satiation and boredom with current sexual freedoms
5 - the search for new targets in the Left's endless attacks on social norms (think Mao's 1966 Cultural Revolution)

In 20-30 years a middle aged man might be able to marry two 12 year old pubescent girls for a "weekend marriage." Could that
happen? It might not - but if it's taboo then that suggests society has gone off on some other track, and will return to this "cause"
at a later date. My profile below are statistics taken from American Gallop Polls. They don't touch many issues like gambling,
porn and drugs.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
As an extension of the thread on factors that determine sexual preference, I am curious as to what determines a person to be homophobic? Here is a study that matched it to other personality traits. It has long been held that homophobes have a higher likelihood of being gay themselves than the average Joe.

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues | Live Science

Old fashionedness makes people homophobic. People who desire to keep things simple for the sake of simplicity.

Simplicity in and of understanding things is basic abstract thinking 101.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Can you point out any factual errors?

The whole post. It’s a parroting of every anti-gay meme and rhetoric ever devised. The crowning achievement was “Gay boys come to mind. Sodomizing pubescent boys who aren't too sure of their sexuality.” I mean, seriously? You seriously believe that’s uppermost in our minds?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
"Slippery slopes" are a form of fallacy, only when they are not....
Tasmanian "gay movement" in the 1980's sought "decriminalization" for homosexuality
(that word 'homosexuality' is quietly disappearing, notice?) The movement declared it
had nothing to do with teaching homosexuality in class room, homosexual marriages
etc.. But as soon as the law was changed so too was the mind of the activists.
Just like the promise that "gay marriage" won't lead to attacks on religious freedoms -
freedoms which were challenged during the election itself.

Pederasty isn't pedophilia. You will see a new name for this - social engineering is
always preceded by language engineering.
Pederasty could come through various channels - here are a few I suggest:
1 - children's rights - being challenged here over the "right" to transgender surgery at the moment - over the authority of parents
2 - sexualization of children - the campaign to stop kiddy beauty contests was ridiculed to extinction - that's a pointer to the future
3 - lowering of the age of women in sexualized movies
4 - satiation and boredom with current sexual freedoms
5 - the search for new targets in the Left's endless attacks on social norms (think Mao's 1966 Cultural Revolution)

In 20-30 years a middle aged man might be able to marry two 12 year old pubescent girls for a "weekend marriage." Could that
happen? It might not - but if it's taboo then that suggests society has gone off on some other track, and will return to this "cause"
at a later date. My profile below are statistics taken from American Gallop Polls. They don't touch many issues like gambling,
porn and drugs.
Of course movements for equality between adults in society pushes for more, in each successive generation. This is what happens when people get fed up with being **** on, but learn to pick their battles. That has nothing to do with pedastry, as that’s always been “frowned upon” due to the lack of informed consent of all parties and that hasn’t changed in the slightest.
You’re framing equality movements in a way where the inevitable destination is a time where we will slowly and surreptitiously reject every single one of our modern ideas on puberty, childhood development, consent, the affects of sexual abuse of children and even age of consent laws. There is absolutely no quantifiable evidence which you have given which suggests anything of the sort.
1. Notice you said children’s rights over the parents. Meaning that extra care and perhaps preference is given to the child regarding their own body. Not that I can find any available evidence of this specifically. But this debate we’re currently having is whether or not a layman parent should be listening to actual medical professionals with regards to their children’s well being. No doctor I know of would even consider sex realignment surgery on a minor before puberty. That’s just not scientific.
2. The debate still rages on as far as I can tell. Of course child beauty pageants might be a little different in America. But I find them at best distasteful and at worst exploitative and sexually degrading. So I agree that they should be at the very least regulated more thoroughly.
3. Where has this occurred? Sexualised movies have to follow strict age of consent laws. Though of course that will inevitably differ country to country and perhaps even between states. Like I know there are some variances between the states in the US that have different age of consent laws. Lowest I’m aware of for “sexualised movies” is 16. But I don’t live in the states, so I don’t know. I think it’s 16 here or 18, depending on how sexually explicit the content in question will be. Like sexually suggestive references without nudity or any kind I think maybe 16 is the lowest. But I could be wrong. Anything remotely sexually explicit will always be 18 as far as I’m aware. Maybe not so in like France or something, I dunno.
4. Pfft that’s what the oldies said of the hippies and their free love movement during the 60s and 70s. History continues to repeat itself.
5. I don’t even know what that means. Though “the left” is meaningless to me, as an Australian.

Still reads like a slippery slope fallacy
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Of course movements for equality between adults in society pushes for more, in each successive generation. This is what happens when people get fed up with being **** on, but learn to pick their battles. That has nothing to do with pedastry, as that’s always been “frowned upon” due to the lack of informed consent of all parties and that hasn’t changed in the slightest.

Pedophilia involves sex/sexualizing pre-pubescent minors.
Pederasty is about pubescent kids. More and more rights
are being accorded to this group. A 13 year old girl "consents"
to have a relationship with a middle-aged man, or worse,
initiates the relationship - a future liberalized, sexualized,
"don't judge me" cultural Marxist society will find itself ashamed
and ideologically powerless to even speak against this.
And that's a bet.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Pedophilia involves sex/sexualizing pre-pubescent minors.
Pederasty is about pubescent kids. More and more rights
are being accorded to this group. A 13 year old girl "consents"
to have a relationship with a middle-aged man, or worse,
initiates the relationship - a future liberalized, sexualized,
"don't judge me" cultural Marxist society will find itself ashamed
and ideologically powerless to even speak against this.
And that's a bet.
None of that is legal or ever will be. We have this thing we understand called “power dynamics.” A 13 year old cannot have fully informed consent. This is proven fact. Facts don’t magically upend themselves just because you fear some bizarre strawman of a “liberalised future.”
The legal age of consent, at least in Australia, is 16. In saying that though, one could actually get in a whole heap of legal trouble just by being 19 and dating a 16 year old. This is due to our understanding of power dynamics. The 19 year old (presumably) has more mental maturity, has more life experience and therefore more than likely has more power over a 16 year old than someone of similar age. It is therefore agreed upon that in the interests of the minor, they should be discouraged from dating someone that old. I think there’s even a 7 year legal gap that’s allowable up until a certain age here (like up to your mid 20s I think.) So you cant actually be middle aged and date anyone under the age of like 20, even though they are technically above the legal age of consent. Though admittedly this is probably more often enforced by societal condemnation rather than the police or legal system.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
None of that is legal or ever will be. We have this thing we understand called “power dynamics.” A 13 year old cannot have fully informed consent. This is proven fact. Facts don’t magically upend themselves just because you fear some bizarre strawman of a “liberalised future.”
The legal age of consent, at least in Australia, is 16. In saying that though, one could actually get in a whole heap of legal trouble just by being 19 and dating a 16 year old. This is due to our understanding of power dynamics. The 19 year old (presumably) has more mental maturity, has more life experience and therefore more than likely has more power over a 16 year old than someone of similar age. It is therefore agreed upon that in the interests of the minor, they should be discouraged from dating someone that old. I think there’s even a 7 year legal gap that’s allowable up until a certain age here (like up to your mid 20s I think.) So you cant actually be middle aged and date anyone under the age of like 20, even though they are technically above the legal age of consent. Though admittedly this is probably more often enforced by societal condemnation rather than the police or legal system.

So what was the "power dynamics" of homosexuals and feminists going back a hundred years?
What irritates middle age or elderly about their "pro gay marriage" stance is being asked the
simple question, "WHEN did you change your mind about the issue?" It implies that they too once
opposed these trends.
Things are "wrong" because everything thinks they are wrong.
Things become "right" when everything thinks they are right.
There's no other reason for right and wrong in our society.

No-one will ever say child porn is good, in the same way no-one thinks adult porn is good - but
it can't be fought, we can't jail half the population - so it was be tolerated.
Pederasty will be a different matter as people seek for shock value, challenging social norms,
upsetting religious people, standing up for child rights, valuing diversity and ad nauseam.
 
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