What makes people homophobic?

[ChristineM]

Toss in self-loathing or secret lives such as Ted Haggard

Ted who?

Oh this isn't the sarcasm thread...

There are several dispicable reasons why someone choses to homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic etc, i mentioned just a few.
Yours, self loathing can have different aspects. I loath myself for my inability to see words properly, my husband loathes his cancer, neither of which make us homophobic. But yes, considering the majority of the population is not in the 14% (or so) who are fully heterosexual then for various reasons (i listed a couple) they might develop a self loathing towards their own gay feelings.

Again, secret lives can be secret for different reasons but again, yes i should think harbouring a secret homosexual relationship would affect a person

 

[sayak83]

As an extension of the thread on factors that determine sexual preference, I am curious as to what determines a person to be homophobic? Here is a study that matched it to other personality traits. It has long been held that homophobes have a higher likelihood of being gay themselves than the average Joe.

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues | Live Science

I would say a tamasic understanding of morality is responsible for homophobia.

 

[Shad]

Ted who?

Google him.

 

[ChristineM]

Google him.

Not really something i am bothered about

 

[Shad]

Not really something i am bothered about

He is just a good example of someone that is in the closet that hires male prostitutes for sex in private while being a pastor that rants about homosexuality in public. Like I said he seemed to be the self-loathing kind.

 

[ChristineM]

He is just a good example of someone that is in the closet that hires male prostitutes for sex in private while being a pastor that rants about homosexuality in public. Like I said he seemed to be the self-loathing kind.

There is quite probably a lot of them about.

Seems to me to be the hypocritical kind

 

[Shad]

There is quite probably a lot of them about.

Seems to me to be the hypocritical kind

Pretty much. I think Ted is an over the top example given his position as pastor thus was in the public eye more than an average person. He was on TV, YT, etc. all ranting about homosexuality.

 

[ChristineM]

Pretty much. I think Ted is an over the top example given his position as pastor thus was in the public eye more than an average person. He was on TV, YT, etc. all ranting about homosexuality.

Sounds pretty biassed to me

 

[Shad]

Sounds pretty biassed to me

More likely a cover up for his own activities.

 

[ChristineM]

More likely a cover up for his own activities.

Probably, with plenty of bible thumping indignation to soothe his troubled brow

 

[Shad]

Probably, with plenty of bible thumping indignation to soothe his troubled brow

More likely his source of income. After all he was removed from his position when his private life became public.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

As an extension of the thread on factors that determine sexual preference, I am curious as to what determines a person to be homophobic? Here is a study that matched it to other personality traits. It has long been held that homophobes have a higher likelihood of being gay themselves than the average Joe.

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues | Live Science

Isn't a phobia of any kind a "psychological issue"? How is this news?

I don't believe that those who are afraid of homosexuality are more likely to be closeted homosexuals themselves.

I also don't believe that it is homophobic for someone to disagree with the practice of homosexuality.

You don't need to be afraid of something to disagree with it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Isn't a phobia of any kind a "psychological issue"? How is this news?

I don't believe that those who are afraid of homosexuality are more likely to be closeted homosexuals themselves.

You're just being obtuse. As well you, and others, know, "homophobia" doesn't mean a literal fear of homosexuals. It means "dislike or prejudice against homosexual people". The suffix "phobia" doesn't always mean fear, but can also mean a strong aversion to or dislike towards something.

I also don't believe that it is homophobic for someone to disagree with the practice of homosexuality.

Homosexuality isn't a practice.

The question is whether you bear a prejudice or dislike towards people who are homosexual.

 

[PruePhillip]

As an extension of the thread on factors that determine sexual preference, I am curious as to what determines a person to be homophobic? Here is a study that matched it to other personality traits. It has long been held that homophobes have a higher likelihood of being gay themselves than the average Joe.

Homophobic People Often Have Psychological Issues | Live Science

Some people are fine with homosexuals as people, but not for their practices.
Same people are fine with divorced people but not divorce.
And they might be okay with men who have five wives but not polygamy.
And the might even like someone who is into bestiality, polyamory, gay boys,
kiddy porn, any porn, extramarital affairs etc etc etc etc...

There's nothing wrong with accepting people regardless of their private
behavior. But its another when we have to change our entire society to
conform to them. For instance there's about one tenth of one percent of
people with transgender issues - now we have to convulse our entire society
to fit in with these few.

 

[ChristineM]

More likely his source of income. After all he was removed from his position when his private life became public.

Happens to most people caught with their pants down. Good argument for not being a hypocrite

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Some people are fine with homosexuals as people, but not for their practices.

Which practices, specifically? Being fabulous?

Same people are fine with divorced people but not divorce.

The difference being that there aren't that many people who look down on divorced people, call them abominations, and try to pass laws to deny rights to divorced people. Comparatively few people have ever faced outright rejection from their families by "coming" out as divorced, and nobody is born divorced and forced to go to "divorce conversation therapy" to try and make them no longer divorced.

There's nothing wrong with accepting people regardless of their private behavior. But its another when we have to change our entire society to conform to them. For instance there's about one tenth of one percent of people with transgender issues - now we have to convulse our entire society to fit in with these few.

What exactly are you talking about? In what way is society having to "convulse" to fit them? And why does it bother you?

Does it really upset you to extend rights to all people?

 

[PruePhillip]

What exactly are you talking about? In what way is society having to "convulse" to fit them? And why does it bother you?

Does it really upset you to extend rights to all people?

We have a super small minority with transgender problems.
So in Canada and other nations all society has to conform to required speech
legislation. And if you don't call a person by whatever pronoun they require (ie
vir, xe, ey etc..) then you can be dismissed, fined or jailed. Why? Because you
have Offended them. Your offense, as one of the 99.8% of the population, is not
taken into consideration.
So, yeah, speech codes is just one niggling little problem.
Others might include men who claim they are women, trounce them in track
and field events, and then go back to being men. So negating a lot of what
feminism fought for.
And in Australia, proposals to remove gender from birth certificates. You can
be a man, a woman or a donkey I suppose. As well, proposals to take the right
of parents away with respect to minors wanting gender changes.

"rights to other people" means in these cases taking away rights from everyone
else.

 

[PruePhillip]

Which practices, specifically? Being fabulous?

Gay boys come to mind. Sodomizing pubescent boys who aren't too sure of their
sexuality. Guys having sex with a pubescent girl might be in trouble, but the boys
are okay 'cos we are fighting homophobia.

I have a problem with all these kids wanting alternate sexual lives. Who is going
to have the next generation of children. We need them to pay the pensions, run
the country etc.. As it is - we just import brown people and they breed the babies
for the white, fat, drug addled, pornhub generation of privileged brats.

 

[Vinayaka]

Isn't a phobia of any kind a "psychological issue"? How is this news?

I don't believe that those who are afraid of homosexuality are more likely to be closeted homosexuals themselves.

I also don't believe that it is homophobic for someone to disagree with the practice of homosexuality.

You don't need to be afraid of something to disagree with it.

The term homophobia is kind of a misnomer, and has a wider meaning than the traditional 'phobia'. It would indeed include someone who disagrees.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

We have a super small minority with transgender problems.
So in Canada and other nations all society has to conform to required speech legislation.

Why is it so troubling to you if you have to call a "super small minority" of people by different pronouns? How is that "society convulsing"?

And if you don't call a person by whatever pronoun they require (ie vir, xe, ey etc..) then you can be dismissed, fined or jailed. Why?

Because there's literally not reason not to call them by their preferred pronoun except to disparage them.

Because you have Offended them. Your offense, as one of the 99.8% of the population, is not taken into consideration.

Why does it matter how much of the population you belong to, and what is offensive to you about calling someone by a pronoun they prefer?

So, yeah, speech codes is just one niggling little problem.

Yes, one niggling little issue that you are blowing out of proportion by saying it is a "convulsion of society".

Others might include men who claim they are women, trounce them in track and field events, and then go back to being men.

Examples?

So negating a lot of what feminism fought for.

You thought feminism was about women being allowed to compete against each other in sporting events?

And in Australia, proposals to remove gender from birth certificates.

And...? What's wrong with that?

You can be a man, a woman or a donkey I suppose.

Er, no. Just a man or a woman, or some mixture, or neither, generally speaking. I'm not sure about the trans-donkey community. Not sure it's even a thing.

As well, proposals to take the right of parents away with respect to minors wanting gender changes.

Again, examples?

"rights to other people" means in these cases taking away rights from everyone else.

Whose rights are being taken away? What rights, specifically? What right is being given to these groups that other groups do not have?