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What is your views about Ayurveda?

Discussion in 'Hinduism DIR' started by jien57908, Jun 15, 2020.

  1. stvdv

    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    You took my words out of context, so you totally misinterpreted my words
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Well, the current great baba of India, Baba Ram Dev, claimed that he has discovered the cure for Covid-19. After the government said that no drug could be sold without certification of the Ayush ministry, Ram Dev changed his statement to say that his drug was to boost immunity. Rs. 500, that will be about USD 7. But, you see, whatever the government says about it, the gullible will still buy it adding to the Baba's billions. Such is the force of superstition.

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    I do not think Ayurveda has proved anything. Life expectancy in India is much lower than on Western countries and Ayurveda is unfamiliar with several main stream diseases. Just a century ago, life expectancy in India was in the 30s!

    In my opinion, it is no more potent than other medieval health systems (China, Europe, Middle East, etc) from around the world.

    The simple test - if you have a serious health issue, such as needing surgery or if your child is sick, the last think you will do is choose a thousand year old solution over a modern solution.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    It is, being comparatively puposefully cheaper, a good placebo for poor people. They think that they are under medication and will get well.

    उन के देखे से जो आ जाती है मुंह पर रौनक़, वो समझते हैं कि बीमार का हाल अच्छा है
    "Unke dekhe se jo aa jati hai muh pe raunaq, vo samajhate hain ki bimar ka hall achcha hai."

    Mirza Asadullah Beig Khan "Ghalib", Urdu poet (1797-1869)

    (When my face glows on seeing her, she thinks that her patient is better.)
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    Is your opinion based on personal study Ayurveda for ca. 10 years, or just googling for 10 minutes?

    That is no comparison/test at all. Comparing apples with pears.
    If you have broken your leg, the last thing you will do is choose a midwife over a surgeon specialized in fixing broken legs

    Same with Ayurveda. Use it for what it is good at.
    Allopathy can't cure all, neither can Ayurveda. Both of them has their positives and negatives.

    Like I said before, why belittle Ayurveda, why not use the good it has to offer
    This "my way is the highway" is not just in Religions but also in Health care I see here
     
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    India would not have had a huge population even before British rule if it were not for Ayurveda. There were also ayurvedic and herbal medicines for domestic animals like horses, elephants and cattle.

    Ayurvedic medical instruments also contributed to the development of allopathy.

    British physicians traveled to India to observe rhinoplasty being performed using native methods, and reports on Indian rhinoplasty were published in the Gentleman's Magazine in 1794. Instruments described in the Sushruta Samhita were further modified in Europe. Joseph Constantine Carpue studied plastic surgery methods in India for 20 years and, in 1815, was able to perform the first major rhinoplasty surgery in the western world, using the "Indian" method of nose reconstruction. In 1840 Brett published an article about this technique.


    When the Britishers were ruling India, they purposefully neglected Ayurveda and championed allopathy and western medicine instead. This was in line with their policy of subduing all nationalistic impulses in India and ensuring Indians became western clones instead and ever loyal subjects of the British empire. This facilitated british exploitation of India's resources without any accountability.

    Consequently, India which was one of the richest nations of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries in the world, became one of the poorest nations on earth by the twentieth century.
     
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    How familiar are you with Ayurveda? I am from India and I personally know people who have studied Ayurveda. So, I know exactly what I am talking about.

    That is the wrong way to look at it.

    If the world had to choose a single solution, Allopathy is the choice - by far. It is not Ayurveda or Chinese herbal medicine or any other medieval solution. The do not even come close. Please provide an example of a *single* mainstream disease where you would prefer Ayurveda or Chinese herbs for a family member. Cholera, Tuberculosis, Measles, Diabetes, Leukemia, Non-hodgins Lymphoma, Breast cancer, Gout, Blood pressure? Or saving a premature child in a NICU? Other than prevention/postponement through diet, Ayurveda has little to offer for any of these diseases. On the other hand, Allopathy can either cure or significantly extend life. The world population has grown rapidly only in the last 150 years and the two reasons are clean drinking water and advances in medicine.

    We can remove Ayurveda and other medieval solutions from the world and there would be no change in overall health. On the other hand, if you remove Allopathy, things would regress terribly. Half of us on this forum would not be alive.
     
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    I disagree with your opinion

    While in India for 10 years, I studied with one the best Ayurvedic doctors in India
    So, it seems that we differ from opinion on this. That is fine with me
     
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    Allopathy is of relatively recent origin and many of its theories
    like miasma origin was disproved in 1880. This shows that it is still an evolving science.

    Allopathy reached India in the nineteenth century. But India by then had a huge population which shows that Ayurveda and herbal medicine had done a good job for much of the time span of the ancient Indian civilization.

    The fact that B.K.S.Iyengar and Arthur Boorman contradicted their allopathic doctors opinions and insteading of resigning to their fates, healed themselves by hatha yoga, shows that allopathy is not infallible.

    Brad Willis, an award winning war journalist is an another patient who attributed his recovery to Ayurveda and yoga when western medicine had failed him.

    Brad Willis (journalist) - Wikipedia

    I have stated earlier on personally meeting people who had exhausted all that allopathy had to offer and finally found healing in Ayurveda. This shows that even now Ayurveda is not just useful as a preventive measure , but also as a curing process as well.

    I am not underrating allopathy. It definitely is efficacious in
    worse case scenarios, but I am also a proponent of alternative
    medical streams due to considerable cost benefits as well as health benefits.

    Just last month, a female colleague of mine with chest pains was misdiagnosed as having had a heart attack by a doctor. She then underwent expensive diagnostic tests in a city hospital with lab facilities. In the end the doctors there told her she has had no heart attacks and it was just anxiety issues troubling her. But she lost a considerable amount of money due to the diagnostic tests and there was no compensation.

    I also know of instances where people were made to undergo all sorts of expensive tests and prescriptions for minor illnesses, and it seems the issue was unethical moneymaking at the expense of the patient's ignorance and faith.

    I have had similar experiences of this sort, and personally I adhere as much to ayurveda or naturopathy or natural remedies, so as not to burn a hole in my pocket and which have solved my health issues too.
     
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    IF 90% can be taken care by alternative remedies like Ayurveda, Homoeopathy or naturapathy, THEN billions are saved

    Big Pharma is of course not happy IF these billions (worldwide) would flow not into their pockets, hence their negative propaganda
     
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