What is wrong with Yahweh's zealots?

[The Kilted Heathen]

Door-to-door evangelists. Street-corner preachers. Televangelists. Even here on this forum we get a new "What's wrong with these people who [gross examples of non-islamic behavior]?" threads.

So, to these people, what's wrong with you? Why do you feel the need to constantly harass and question other people? Don't you think that distracts you from worship of your god? Or is pessimism the worship of your god? If so, why should we be at all attracted to your beliefs?

Why do we need to justify ourselves to you? Why do we need to explain ourselves to you, when it's quite clear that you're not going to listen anyways? Why do we even bother giving you the time of day? (Settle down, that's a euphemism).

Any and all answers to this would be just fantastic, because the game is getting really old, really fast.

Y'know, one would think that if your god was so overwhelmingly evident and powerful, he'd be clear to all without you lot yammering on about him. We hear more from zealous believers than we do your own god, and that really says a lot; and it's not the message that you're trying so very hard to send.

So to anyone and everyone who thinks that your god is the answer to the world's woes (though most certainly seem to have been caused by him) give us some factual, non-biblical answers as to why we should even concern ourselves with what you have to say and think.

 

[wizanda]

Why do we even bother giving you the time of day?

Because it is polite.

Don't you think that distracts you from worship of your god?

Same applies to whole religious forum.

Y'know, one would think that if your god was so overwhelmingly evident and powerful, he'd be clear to all without you lot yammering on about him.

The idea that Christians yammer on about it, proves what has been prophesied has happened, that the whole world will be deceived by it.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Same applies to whole religious forum.

The whole forum doesn't endlessly worry and criticize what others believe, though.

 

[Quintessence]

Alas, this sort of behavior is not limited to alleged zealots of the one-god. I see it from many groups.

Some folks just like to complain. I suppose complaining about what other people are doing is easier than taking charge of one's own life and living it fully?

 

[wizanda]

The whole forum doesn't endlessly worry and criticize what others believe, though.

Since Christianity is the child of Pharisaic Judaism, it is to be expected... Why is the question:

Found that religions that place a huge emphasis on laws, often end up with many nit picking people.

Like the people are so desperately telling themselves to follow some supposed Law from God, that they then scrutinize everyone else by the same chastisement.


Both Christians and Muslims are told to Evangelize, and do Dawah; which by converting others, they see that as being potentially beneficial for their salvation.

Plus because both have a threat of eternal hell fire, they're scared, so they put the fear on to others.

 

[Desert Snake]

Since Christianity is the child of Pharisaic Judaism, it is to be expected... Why is the question:

Judaism practicers sometimes claim that modern judaism /rabbinical, is from Pharisaic Judaism , but ive never noticed them stating that Xianity is... why is that?

 

[wizanda]

Judaism practicers sometimes claim that modern judaism /rabbinical, is from Pharisaic Judaism , but ive never noticed them stating that Xianity is... why is that?

John was made up by the Sanhedrin, Paul was a Pharisee infiltrator, and Simon the stone (petros) was Pharisee from his belief system....

Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels is against the Pharisees; whereas thee Anti-Christ church (Christianity) was created by them.

 

[Desert Snake]

John was made up by the Sanhedrin, Paul was a Pharisee infiltrator, and Simon the stone (petros) was Pharisee from his belief system....

Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels is against the Pharisees; whereas thee Anti-Christ church (Christianity) was created by them.

Your entire religion seems based on some "anti-Pharisee" concept.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

All of that is quite fascinating, but doesn't really answer for me why - and more importantly, how - Christians and Muslims think they have the answer for everyone. What makes their truth so much better than anyone elses?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Islam doesnt have JHVH. Might want to do some basic research on the thread premise.

Sure they do. "Allah" means nothing more than "The One True God", which is held to be the god of Abraham; Yahweh.

 

[Desert Snake]

Sure they do. "Allah" means nothing more than "The One True God", which is held to be the god of Abraham; Yahweh.

How much research did you do?

 

[wizanda]

Your entire religion seems based on some "anti-Pharisee" concept.

My religion isn't the question; this is a Bible discussion.

History shows us this is how things progressed, where the concepts come from can be seen in the Biblical texts, and the contradictions between Yeshua, with the Pharisees is presented in the text.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Enough that I know it to be so. That is the etymological meaning of "allah", and Muslims do hold him to be the god of Abraham, which was YHWH.

Are you one of Yahweh's believers? Would you care to answer why the zealots behave as they do?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

My religion isn't the question; this is a Bible discussion.

No, it's a behavior and ethics discussion. I could really care less what the bible says.

 

[wizanda]

No, it's a behavior and ethics discussion. I could really care less what the bible says.

Without comprehending where the concepts came from, the threads question can never be answered.

Though we could ask, if we removed Abrahmic beliefs, would the people in question be just as evangelical, and busy bodies?

Would they still be trying to force their beliefs onto others, which is clearly no; thus fundamental beliefs cause the issue.

If we had a book of Atheism which is said to save the world from the religious, give it a hundred years, and would we have fundamentalist evangelical Atheist book believers?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Without comprehending where the concepts came from, the threads question can never be answered.

And with answers like "Because the bible says..." there's no reason at all. What undeniable authority is given in the bible that can be backed up outside the bible? What gives Christians and Muslims the right to assert that they know best for others?

 

[wizanda]

a specification regarding JHVH, cannot be assumed.

In Aramaic ALH אלהּ H426 is God.

The Quran cites all the narratives within the Bible; therefore it is referencing the same deity specifically.

And with answers like "Because the bible says..." there's no reason at all.

A minute a go you said we're talking behavior and ethics; people's behavior can be programmed, by reward and punishment...

Thus to justify why people are like it, we then need to examine the context of how they've been indoctrinated; to understand why we've got certain results.

What undeniable authority is given in the bible that can be backed up outside the bible?

It is also a Hebraic history of life; thus the things documented within the Bible, have mostly happened outside of the Bible with physical things taking place throughout history.

What gives Christians and Muslims the right to assert that they know best for others?

Because due to their fear of impending Judgement day, that they're told they've got to belief to be saved, by converting more people, it makes them believe that their convictions are more solid, and their salvation assured, by having enough people converted.

They get these ideas from within their texts; we can show how they've been told to be like this.

 

[YmirGF]

All of that is quite fascinating, but doesn't really answer for me why - and more importantly, how - Christians and Muslims think they have the answer for everyone. What makes their truth so much better than anyone elses?

One word... Revelation. Revelation by its very nature cannot be wrong.

 

[wizanda]

Islamic opinion may vary on this, but with the premise that the Scriptures are wrong

Unfortunately an intelligent Muslim will have read all religious texts, and not make distinction between the Messengers like the Quran instructs....

Yet people are lazy, and go half a mile; rather than the extra one.

oppositional /Deity or entity.

Read the post a few times btw, it sounds like atypical representation of Muslims; yet having spent years talking with many, there are lots who care to understand, and recognize the specifications within the Bible as well.

 

[viole]

Door-to-door evangelists. Street-corner preachers. Televangelists. Even here on this forum we get a new "What's wrong with these people who [gross examples of non-islamic behavior]?" threads.

So, to these people, what's wrong with you? Why do you feel the need to constantly harass and question other people? Don't you think that distracts you from worship of your god? Or is pessimism the worship of your god? If so, why should we be at all attracted to your beliefs?

Why do we need to justify ourselves to you? Why do we need to explain ourselves to you, when it's quite clear that you're not going to listen anyways? Why do we even bother giving you the time of day? (Settle down, that's a euphemism).

Any and all answers to this would be just fantastic, because the game is getting really old, really fast.

Y'know, one would think that if your god was so overwhelmingly evident and powerful, he'd be clear to all without you lot yammering on about him. We hear more from zealous believers than we do your own god, and that really says a lot; and it's not the message that you're trying so very hard to send.

So to anyone and everyone who thinks that your god is the answer to the world's woes (though most certainly seem to have been caused by him) give us some factual, non-biblical answers as to why we should even concern ourselves with what you have to say and think.

Send them to me. All the JWs I had the pleasure to converse with at home, are not coming back, for some reason. Which is puzzling, I actually love to take time for them, and I make the best tea in town.

Ciao

- viole