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Featured What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. von bek

    von bek Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for saying this, paar. Often you come across differently; in this case, you do your faith much credit. Thank you, again.
     
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  2. Musing Bassist

    Musing Bassist Well-Known Member

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    Noting that the OP considers crosses as idols, Christ the Redeemer would certainly qualify. From what I gather any image or object of religious devotion (or even theme) is an idol by Islamic standards.
     
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  3. Spiderman

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    Thank you! I watched the video. As a Catholic we would sometimes kneel before a crucifix but it was never permitted to worship it or any statue
     
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  4. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Crow FreyjasmaðR

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    Well, Catholics don't really worship the crucifix. It's seen as a gesture of respect towards Jesus.
     
  5. sovietchild

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    How is it not? They put an image of a human on a cross and then sell it across the markets.

    Do you agree with my music topic?
     
  6. Spiderman

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    Selling artwork isn't worship
     
  7. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Crow FreyjasmaðR

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    Soviet, if you're not getting it by now then there's really no hope for reason in this topic. Also burning bridges in a time when bridges are needed.
     
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  8. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    What are you chatting about? Are you chatting about destroying bridges to slow your enemy down?
     
  9. Spiderman

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    If I grew up surrounded by people with Soviets views, id kill myself
     
  10. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Is that so?
     
  11. paarsurrey

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    sovietchild said:
    Prophet Luqmaan once said to his son "O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice."
    "O my son, do not set up any idols beside God; idolatry is a gross injustice."
    The verse does not speak of demolishing the idols. Is it? Please
    Regards
     
  12. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Crow FreyjasmaðR

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    It's a phrase. Let me put it to you more bluntly.

    Right now, in America, there is talk of Muslims being deported. Of them being forced to register, akin to the Jews in Nazi Germany. Some people are willing to register as Muslim as a symbol of solidarity, even though they don't share your faith.

    If you're this willing to disrespect and vandalize other beliefs and religions, why should others bother themselves with preserving your beliefs? That we might be next is irrelevant, when from what's being displayed by you is that it would make no difference anyways. You don't respect our beliefs and our religions; why should we expect you to come to our defense?

    You are setting such a poor example for Islam. I would argue just as bad as that of ISIL; where they kill and destroy, you're simply okay with the destruction and somehow think you're still peaceful. Passive excuse of destruction and oppression is still approval of it, and worse still in that you cling to the illusion of peacefulness.
     
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  13. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Ahmadi, didn't Prophet Muhammad destroyed idols?
     
  14. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Didn't prophet Ibrahim broke all of them one by one?
     
  15. paarsurrey

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    A good point. Statue as Supreme God that is worshiped is different from an idol that is not worshiped. To worship a statue is height of superstition. Erecting an idol with own/human hands and to worship it as god is unreasonable and unjustified, hence only a superstition.

    Prophet King Solomon had engineers who made statues for the state, it is very much mentioned in Quran, with praise:
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    Sahih International: They made for him what he willed of elevated chambers, statues, bowls like reservoirs, and stationary kettles. [We said], "Work, O family of David, in gratitude." And few of My servants are grateful.
    The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

    Please
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  16. paarsurrey

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    Please quote from Quran.
    Regards
     
  17. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Moses destroy the golden calf?
     
  18. paarsurrey

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    But why should be one superstitious.
    There is no commandment in Veda/Yajurveda to erect idols and to worship them. Please quote from Veda/Yajurveda, if there is any. Right? Please
    Regards
     
  19. The Kilted Heathen

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    Didn't Abraham try to sacrifice his own son? Didn't Moses (allegedly) make his people wander and suffer in the desert for forty years?

    You're making excuses.
     
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  20. The Kilted Heathen

    The Kilted Heathen Crow FreyjasmaðR

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    You missed the point of the video, it seems. If you destroy my idols, you do no harm to the Gods because the idols are not the Gods. Yet they are artwork that I created, and such an action is fully understood as an attack on my Gods, my beliefs, and the destruction of something that I did in love and worship of those Gods. It is grossly disrespectful.

    I am not a Hindu, and don't care what the Vedas or Yajurvedas say.
     
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