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Featured What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Jainarayan

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    Lives are also protected by law, and one cannot legally kill (or take property) without due process of law.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Destroying what is sacred to others is thoroughly disgusting
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I think the forum has a jihadist!
     
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    Oddly enough, the golden calf was an image to Yahweh, the god that Moses had just finished talking to.
     
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    I won't destroy the idols of peace loving and peaceful living polytheists. I find no such commandment in Quran to destroy the idols of others. Quran even forbids to rebuke others' idols/gods, not to speak of destroying them.

    Verse (6:108)
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    Sahih International: And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do.
    The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

    Quran honors and protects the worship places of all religions, and allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech in most unequivocal terms, no other religion, to my knowledge does it:
    Verse (22:40)
    The analysis above refers to the 40th verse of chapter 22 (sūrat l-ḥaj):

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    Sahih International: [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
    The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

    Muhammd fought for the human rights of the people .
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    What's wrong with burning the Quran? It's just a dumb book with pages with gibberish writing talking about some pedophilic warlord in the middle of the desert. I had friends who did it, I didn't care.

    That statement was equal to what you just asked.
     
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    Define "peace loving and peaceful living," because as I said in the "is Islam a religion of peace" thread, there really is no such thing.
     
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    Idolatry may or may not be wrong. To some degree that is a matter of opinion, of personal preference even.

    However, there is hardly any moral ground to speak of when one decides to destroy someone else's objects of religious significance.

    There is also a practical problem: if you feel entitled to destroy some else's religious statues, there will be no grounds to object if someone decides that the world is better off without your own Qur'ans, Mosques and Madrassas.

    Unless you are willing to bet that people will feel so grateful for your decision to disrespect their beliefs that they will immediately sympathise with your perspective and forgive you completely? I would advise you not to do such a thing. You are bound to cause a lot of suffering to yourself and others, for no good reason whatsoever.
     
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    Not that I agree with his opinion in any way, shape or form, but from past interactions I assume he means the Christ the Redeemer statue of Rio de Janeiro.

    Christ the Redeemer (statue) - Wikipedia
     
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    Even this "strong atheist" agrees on that point. That Muslims find his actions to be righteous is troubling in its own right. It's always been all about the Supremacy of Islam OVER all other faiths, as it is the only "true" religion because Muhammad said so.
     
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    NICE!

    Thank you!
     
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    Rio, Brazil... what difference does it make? Big deal they are large countries sharing a tiny border region. Plus some Brazilians probably know some Argentinians... so that's close enough. :rolleyes:
     
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    Just like @YmirGF , I must agree with that. Such an action is nothing more than invading other people's space in order to cause sorrow.

    There is really no excuse to having that as a goal.
     
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    Well, sure. If we are already conceding that the Redeemer statue "must" be destroyed, why even care to distinguish Rio from Brazil or Argentina? At that point we have no time for accuracy or even truth anyway.
     
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    That Christ the Redeemer statue is technically not an idol. I don't think people are convinced the statue is God
     
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    Nor do those who utilize idols believe that their statues are gods. They are representations.

     
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    I quite agree.

    But apparently most Muslims don't.

    They seem to believe that people literally somehow confuse the statues with the supernatural powers themselves.

    That would not be that big a deal even if true. But it is not true.
     
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