What is wrong with sharia law?

[Godobeyer]

Did I? Well, if so, then I mis-spoke. It's illegal in many jurisdictions in the West. It is not an acceptable practice socially anywhere in the West.

Just curious what countries are made prostitution as illegal.
what consquences ?

Sure.

Good.

Seriously?

I think there's a distinction to be made between laws as in doctrinal rules, and natural laws. Natural laws are the framework of God's manifestation as the universe, they are God's will. Our own concepts of morality and law are emergent conceptualisations of the basic inclinations towards goodness which God has instilled within us.

If God don't made laws why you pray to Him through idols (who made that law) ?
What you mean by natural laws ?
I hope you don't mean animals laws ?

Pretty much, yeah.

by commun sense It's disgusting and immoral to make sex with animals.

It may have happened once or twice, among many millions of cases. Many more people have managed to convince themselves it's happened out of self-hatred and internalised homophobia, although as it's so common that people go through years of that and then say 'actually, I never stopped being gay, I was lying to myself', after a long period of depression and harm to themselves and those around them, I don't tend to believe it can genuinely happen.

"once or twice for millions", you seems exagerate ?

I believe it's more than you imagine.

Some time ago, I saw the testimony of a young Muslim man who'd grown up being told being gay was wrong. He was gay himself, and every day he was down before God praying and crying and begging God to change him, and make him straight. After years of that anguish and suffering, he realised that there was no changing him, that he was as God had made him. He accepted himself as gay, and found peace.

I don't believe this story.

 

[Kirran]

Just curious what countries are made prostitution as illegal.
what consquences ?

The consequences vary. Fines, prison sentences, sex registry, etc.

Prostitution in the United States - Wikipedia

Study this map - Prostitution - Wikipedia

Prostitution is legal and regulated in Tunisia, which I think is the most humane option.

If God don't made laws why you pray to Him through idols (who made that law) ?
What you mean by natural laws ?
I hope you don't mean animals laws ?

I pray to God because I love God, because I want to serve God, because I want to know God more deeply.

Natural laws are the laws of nature, the laws by which the universe run. I don't know what an animal law is.

by commun sense It's disgusting and immoral to make sex with animals.

Sure. It causes suffering.

"once or twice for millions", you seems exagerate ?

I believe it's more than you imagine.

Why do you believe that?

I don't believe this story.

That's because you have an opinion, and you are prepared to reject all evidence which shows that it is wrong. But nevertheless, this man suffered because of the bigotry and intolerance which most Muslims teach as part of their faith. He was blessed in that he had access to forms of Islam which were loving, and good.

 

[sovietchild]

I think they are enslaved by Islam and want to use Islam to bully others. In an effort to make themselves feel superior.

It can’t be much fun having to be the ones having to do all the submitting!

So, do you have better ideas?

 

[Godobeyer]

The consequences vary. Fines, prison sentences, sex registry, etc.

Prostitution in the United States - Wikipedia

Study this map - Prostitution - Wikipedia

Sounds crazy that USA is first porn/erotic movies producer ,it's illegal !

Prostitution is legal and regulated in Tunisia, which I think is the most humane option.

checked.

No,you wrong, it's illegal in Tunisia

I pray to God because I love God, because I want to serve God, because I want to know God more deeply.

Who give you tha law of prayers ?

Sure. It causes suffering.

I meant in case if there is no suffering !
in commun sense it's unacceptable relation.

Why do you believe that?

Because you said once or twice. so just two persons whom could convert from gay to straight,that defintly wrong.

Ex-homosexuals - Conservapedia

Ex-gay movement - Wikipedia

That's because you have an opinion, and you are prepared to reject all evidence which shows that it is wrong. But nevertheless, this man suffered because of the bigotry and intolerance which most Muslims teach as part of their faith. He was blessed in that he had access to forms of Islam which were loving, and good.

I don't deal with such Western media stories about Muslims.


How about deal with your self too,about this ?
You first reject the evidences I posted before, you just pick the sources that match with yours.

 

[Notanumber]

So, do you have better ideas?

Yes, abide by the laws of the land, as reasonable people do.

Why does Islam need different laws to everyone else?

Is it because it suffers from an inferiority complex?

 

[Kirran]

Sounds crazy that USA is first porn/erotic movies producer ,it's illegal !

Nah, making pornography is not illegal there.

checked.

No,you wrong, it's illegal in Tunisia

Oh yeah, do you have a source? My source says it is legal there.

Who give you tha law of prayers ?

What do you mean? What is 'the law of prayers'?

I meant in case if there is no suffering !
in commun sense it's unacceptable relation.

What are you talking about?

Because you said once or twice. so just two persons whom could convert from gay to straight,that defintly wrong.

Ex-homosexuals - Conservapedia

Ex-gay movement - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay_movement

Again, Conservapedia is not reliable as a source of information, and does not even represent its scant sources authentically.

I don't deal with such Western media stories about Muslims.

Not from media, it was a Muslim's personal account of his life.

How about deal with your self too,about this ?
You first reject the evidences I posted before, you just pick the sources that match with yours.

I reject Conservapedia as a valid source of evidence, because I've looked at it a lot in the past and it doesn't fairly reflect its sources.

 

[Godobeyer]

Nah, making pornography is not illegal there.

That's encourage of immorality and prostituation.
They practice the prostituation in that !

Oh yeah, do you have a source? My source says it is legal there.

You source is wrong.

Origin one :
العلاقات الجنسية في القانون التونسي

What do you mean? What is 'the law of prayers'?

Pray to God through your five Idols

What are you talking about?

Plz just focus on discuss track

1-I said " if there is no suffering,so it's that ok then ?"


1-You agreed that it's ok to make sex with animal since there no suffering.

2-I said "by commun sense It's disgusting and immoral to make sex with animals."

3 You said : Sure. It causes suffering.

4-I said I meant if there is no suffering !

we are talking about no suffering situation,get it ?


A

gain, Conservapedia is not reliable as a source of information, and does not even represent its scant sources authentically.

There are hunderds of sources.

btw Second link was from wikipedia ?

Not from media, it was a Muslim's personal account of his life.

Souce to see ?

I reject Conservapedia as a valid source of evidence, because I've looked at it a lot in the past and it doesn't fairly reflect its sources.

Just google ex-gay or ex-homosexual.
You will find many other sources and stories.

 

[Kirran]

That's encourage of immorality and prostituation.
They practice the prostituation in that !

Yeah I think it's not terribly consistent either.

You source is wrong.

Origin one :
العلاقات الجنسية في القانون التونسي

https://www.tunisia-sat.com/forums/threads/2165948/

You know, I don't speak Arabic.

Pray to God through your five Idols

What five idols? And what does that have to do with law?

Plz just focus on discuss track

1-I said " if there is no suffering,so it's that ok then ?"


1-You agreed that it's ok to make sex with animal since there no suffering.

2-I said "by commun sense It's disgusting and immoral to make sex with animals."

3 You said : Sure. It causes suffering.

4-I said I meant if there is no suffering !

we are talking about no suffering situation,get it ?

I never said it was OK to have sex with an animal.

There are hunderds of sources.

btw Second link was from wikipedia ?

I am sure there are.

I am aware.

Souce to see ?

This isn't what I'd seen but I think this dude goes into it - he became an atheist later, in no small part because of the cruelty people had shown him in the name of Islam.

Just google ex-gay or ex-homosexual.
You will find many other sources and stories.

None of them scientifically corroborated. Dude, the BIGGEST ex-gay organisation in the world shut down because it said that it had realised it didn't work.

 

[oldbadger]

So if I went to some Western countries,some men will ask me for marriage, sounds crazy !

Godobeyer........ you wouldn''t have to worry about men proposing to you. You're allowed to decline!

He lived in country don't punish the prostitution ! he said it's illegal !

Well them, if he said it is illegal there then I'd guess that it is. But in England folks can give themselves (sexually) for money.
Example: If a woman says to a man,'Buy me a yacht and I'm yours tonite!' she has not committed a crime!

So @Kirran speaks about my country Algeria

OK...... different countries have different laws.
But the USA has some fairly strange laws imo, so it's up to the people of a country to decide upon their laws.

Sharia has some laws that I don't like, but so does America. In England we mostly don't like the term Sharia because to us it means gangs of vigilantes (over here) bullying and hurting people.

As shown on this thread, some Bahais don't like justice in Iran, but then I don't like all Bahai laws if they were in force ion a Bahai world.

What can I say?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You mean sex through anal is wrong and harmful?

So most of gay did it !

So do heterosexual people. Anal sex is no more dangerous or harmful than vaginal sex. Get over youself.

Why I suppose to be a girl for one day ?

That's not what being gay means, and I know that you know this. Chalk up two Muslims too proud to admit that they have no choice in their sexuality, and thus neither do homosexuals.

I said there is cases when gay back to straight,so it's very possible it's choice.

And I've seen a lot of people pretend to be something they're not to avoid social punishment or stigma. I've also seen many of the "pray the gay away" camps come out and say that it's all rubbish.

 

[sovietchild]

So do heterosexual people. Anal sex is no more dangerous or harmful than vaginal sex. Get over youself.


That's not what being gay means, and I know that you know this. Chalk up two Muslims too proud to admit that they have no choice in their sexuality, and thus neither do homosexuals.


And I've seen a lot of people pretend to be something they're not to avoid social punishment or stigma. I've also seen many of the "pray the gay away" camps come out and say that it's all rubbish.

Homosexual activists attempt to portray their lifestyle as normal and healthy, and insist that homosexual relationships are the equivalent in every way to their heterosexual counterparts. and the media relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy, and well-adjusted homosexual. The reality is quite opposite to this caricature which was recently conceded by the homosexual newspaper

The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality

 

[sovietchild]

What is wrong with those people who think anal sex is no more dangerous or harmful than vaginal sex?

 

[Kirran]

@oldbadger - I'm a Ceredigion-er!

 

[sovietchild]

What is wrong with those people who think the human body was designed to accommodate anal intercourse?

 

[Kirran]

What is wrong with those people who think the human body was designed to accommodate anal intercourse?

Bet you've never tried it

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Homosexual activists attempt to portray their lifestyle as normal and healthy, and insist that homosexual relationships are the equivalent in every way to their heterosexual counterparts. and the media relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy, and well-adjusted homosexual. The reality is quite opposite to this caricature

No it's not. You would know this if you bothered to look around the real world, where homosexuals are likely standing right next to you and you have zero clue because they're just like you they're just attracted to someone else.

What is wrong with those people who think the human body was designed to accommodate anal intercourse?

If you really think that's the case, then ask yourself why men have a "g-spot" - you know what that is, right? - in their colon. Meaning that anal sex for men is extremely pleasurable. Ask yourself that.

And maybe ask less what's wrong with other people, and maybe what's wrong with your view?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

350 millions people can pay for sex in USA. Don't you agree?

So? It's their money, and their lives. As long as it's consensual, it really bothers me none. Legalizing it would even remove the criminal element, dealing a hefty blow to sex slavery.

If it's illegal to have 2 wives in USA and Russia, then would it be legal if I have 2 wives in 2 different countries?

It's also not at all a crime here to be homosexual, but a death sentence in pretty much just Muslim/Sharia countries. It's a difference in ethics and values. Personally, I see nothing wrong with polygamous relationships, as they have been far more common for our species than monogamy, and it's not something we're necessarily "equipped" for anyways. And, once again, it bothers me none as it has no bearing on my own personal life if people take multiple spouses.
.

 

[Notanumber]

Islamists have as their ultimate prize in heaven, 72 virgins! I wonder what gender they are hoping for.

 

[Godobeyer]

So do heterosexual people. Anal sex is no more dangerous or harmful than vaginal sex. Get over youself.

fact is anal sex all are harmful,and dirty, more than vaginal sex.

That's not what being gay means, and I know that you know this. Chalk up two Muslims too proud to admit that they have no choice in their sexuality, and thus neither do homosexuals.

Why suppose to look for men,since the world is full of women ?

And I've seen a lot of people pretend to be something they're not to avoid social punishment or stigma. I've also seen many of the "pray the gay away" camps come out and say that it's all rubbish.

So you claim that it's impossible for gay to back straight ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah I think it's not terribly consistent either.

I do believe the media had great effect on people,especially on morality or steorotypes.

You know, I don't speak Arabic.

There is web page translator.

What five idols? And what does that have to do with law?

your method "Laws" worship God.

I never said it was OK to have sex with an animal.

Indeed you said.
#414Kirran, Yesterday at 12:46 PM

When I ask you "if there is no suffering,so it's that ok then ?"
You said " Pretty much, yeah.".

I am sure there are.

I am aware.

Good.

This isn't what I'd seen but I think this dude goes into it - he became an atheist later, in no small part because of the cruelty people had shown him in the name of Islam.

I do believe it's just propaganda by Western media.

None of them scientifically corroborated. Dude, the BIGGEST ex-gay organisation in the world shut down because it said that it had realised it didn't work.

I know what mean arrogance and stuborn,by you.

Like you own the science and all knowlegde and truth,everything you said true,and others are wrong !