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What is wrong with believing in evolution?

Kirran

Premium Member
The theory of macro evolution is not based on reliable scientific evidence but rather propped up by a well orchestrated propaganda campaign, IMO.
The ToE is a repudiation of the true Christian faith, including the creation account, the ransom sacrifice, and other Bible teachings.
I believe the teachings of social Darwinism have contributed to the bloodshed, immorality, and violence that fills the earth today.

You can accept reality of evolution, and the explanations found in the Theory of Evolution, without subscribing to such 19th Century barbarisms as social Darwinism.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
The theory of macro evolution is not based on reliable scientific evidence but rather propped up by a well orchestrated propaganda campaign, IMO.
The ToE is a repudiation of the true Christian faith, including the creation account, the ransom sacrifice, and other Bible teachings.
I believe the teachings of social Darwinism have contributed to the bloodshed, immorality, and violence that fills the earth today.

Err...Who is teaching 'social Darwinism'?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Get's into semantics, but Dawkins and Darwin both agreed that any evolution that needs helped over the tricky parts by God, defeats the whole purpose of the theory, which was to try to account for life without God.

If we redefine evolution to only mean change, then Genesis describes evolution also..

Why wouldn't god allow for a little chance and chaos in the universe?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The theory of macro evolution is not based on reliable scientific evidence but rather propped up by a well orchestrated propaganda campaign, IMO.
The ToE is a repudiation of the true Christian faith, including the creation account, the ransom sacrifice, and other Bible teachings.
I believe the teachings of social Darwinism have contributed to the bloodshed, immorality, and violence that fills the earth today.
"Social Darwinism" has absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution, and I recall that we're corrected you on this before on more than one occasion.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
God is not satisfied with people believing the truth, only that they love the truth. For those who do not love the truth there is a lie to believe in, so God blinds their eyes and gives them over to the lie. In this case, that man came from a monkey, evolution.

2 Thessalonians 2:10
[]humans are complicated beasts. You believe comforting lies while knowing full well the painful truths that make those lies necessary. It's a wonder you can survive at all. (A Monster Calls)
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
God is not satisfied with people believing the truth, only that they love the truth. For those who do not love the truth there is a lie to believe in, so God blinds their eyes and gives them over to the lie. In this case, that man came from a monkey, evolution.

2 Thessalonians 2:10
That's belief in a book rather than God. If you take the holy books and the stories away from God, then only God is left and there's no conflict between evolution and creation. God has the right to do whatever he/she/it wants and create the world whichever he/she/it wants. It's not up to an old book to tell us what God can do. The conflict between religion and evolution is artificially created by humans.
 

interminable

منتظر
There are quite a lot of religious people who know evolution is true. There's no conflict between evolution and religion. Only belief and interpretations of religious books create the conflict.
Nope

Clearly Quran is against evolution

And those who u call religious at least Muslims ones have no knowledge about their religion.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Nope

Clearly Quran is against evolution

And those who u call religious at least Muslims ones have no knowledge about their religion.

How do you account for Muslims who accept evolution, like Usama Hasan, TO Shanavas, Jamal al-Din al-Afghani, Khalid Anees, Edip Yuksel...?

And, for that matter, 79% of the Muslim population of Kazakhstan, 30% of the Muslim population of Pakistan, 78% of the Muslim population of Lebanon, 67% in Palestine, 52% in Jordan, 62% in Albania, 37% in Tajikistan etc.
 

interminable

منتظر
How do you account for Muslims who accept evolution, like Usama Hasan, TO Shanavas, Jamal al-Din al-Afghani, Khalid Anees, Edip Yuksel...?

And, for that matter, 79% of the Muslim population of Kazakhstan, 30% of the Muslim population of Pakistan, 78% of the Muslim population of Lebanon, 67% in Palestine, 52% in Jordan, 62% in Albania, 37% in Tajikistan etc.
الحجر
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ
And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud. (26)
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
I remember when the theory of a biochemical basis for mental illness was commonly believed to be a fact. I didn't believe then nor now in any such thing as a biochemical imbalance. I was considered ignorant and in denial. Then over the years evidence accumulated that psychiatric drugs don't treat biochemical imbalances but have been proved to cause biochemical imbalances.

Same with the theory of evolution. If one doesn't accept the latest fad theory, they must be "ignorant" or a religious fanatic.

The Torah doesn't change over thousands of years, it is eternal. (Although our understanding of it evolves.) whereas scientific theories have been known to be scrapped with just one new fact or experiment.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
الحجر
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ
And We did certainly create man out of clay from an altered black mud. (26)

This is largely in line with theories of the emergence of life (which developed into humanity, ultimately) out of the agglomeration of RNA and lipid using clay as a substrate.
 

interminable

منتظر
This is largely in line with theories of the emergence of life (which developed into humanity, ultimately) out of the agglomeration of RNA and lipid using clay as a substrate.
We have lots of traditions that say God created Adam in this shape and then made it alive. All suddenly not gradually.


Besides those who believe in evolution they don't believe in a designer
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Nope

Clearly Quran is against evolution
That is a book. It's the belief in a book that creates the conflict.

There are Muslims who believe evolution to be true. It's all about how you interpret the book.

And those who u call religious at least Muslims ones have no knowledge about their religion.
None at all? How do they know they're Muslims if they have no knowledge of their own religion? It's like saying that I'm a believer in plyxomorphia, but I have no clue what it is. They must have some form of knowledge, and if they're against evolution, it's because they've been told that the Quran says so, just like you did above.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
We have lots of traditions that say God created Adam in this shape and then made it alive. All suddenly not gradually.


Besides those who believe in evolution they don't believe in a designer
Evolution is like an algorithm to produce variation. Today, software engineers use similar methods to create variation in computer games. They're designers, but of a different kind. Smart designers, you could call them, instead of old fashioned hands-on carving-out-of-wood designers.
 
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