What is wrong if human beings turn to G-d?

[Tiberius]

They loved , provided for me, cared for me. Nobody did so much for me. I have to believe that they are my parents.
Is one's case different than that and one believes that one had no father and mother?

Regards

So naturally they had to show themselves to you in a way that you could see and verify.

You could get other people to verify the existence of your parents, couldn't you?

 

[Tiberius]

There is no compulsion for anybody in it.

Regards

Sadly there is plenty of compulsion. Many people are killed for not believing in the approved faith.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't see how someone can come to the conclusion, "God will save me!" if that person does not actually believe in a god of some kind.

Could you explain how that could happen?

If someone is not 100% sure that G-d doesn't exist, then that person does have some concept of G-d deep within Him. Right, please?

Regards

 

[HonestJoe]

I don't see how someone can come to the conclusion, "God will save me!" if that person does not actually believe in a god of some kind.

Could you explain how that could happen?

You said "faith based solutions" rather than specifically "God will save me". That can cover all sorts of stuff like, crystals, witchcraft or homeopathy. Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Rather ignoring a vaccine, one should focus to find it and turn to G-d to help humanity to find a vaccine. The truthful religion is not against it.

God isn't aware we need one?

 

[paarsurrey]

God isn't aware we need one?

Yes,I understand, G-d is aware and may help the scientists to develop the cure, if the scientists and all the people in the world turn to G-d.
This is exactly the purpose of this thread. Right, please?

Regards
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[25:78]قُلۡ مَا یَعۡبَؤُا بِکُمۡ رَبِّیۡ لَوۡ لَا دُعَآؤُکُمۡ ۚ فَقَدۡ کَذَّبۡتُمۡ فَسَوۡفَ یَکُوۡنُ لِزَامًا ﴿٪۷۸﴾
Say to the disbelievers: ‘But for your prayer to Him my Lord would not care for you. You have indeed rejected the truth, and the punishment of your rejection will now cleave to you.’
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 25: Al-Furqan

 

[paarsurrey]

You said "faith based solutions" rather than specifically "God will save me". That can cover all sorts of stuff like, crystals, witchcraft or homeopathy. Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational.

"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence. I appreciate it.

Regard
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I have made another thread with this winner sentence, thanks for our friend @HonestJoe .
#1 paarsurrey,

 

[Tiberius]

If someone is not 100% sure that G-d doesn't exist, then that person does have some concept of G-d deep within Him. Right, please?

Regards

There's a huge difference between having a concept of something and believing that this thing actually exists.

I have a concept of what a Vulcan is, that doesn't mean I think Vulcans are real.

 

[Tiberius]

You said "faith based solutions" rather than specifically "God will save me". That can cover all sorts of stuff like, crystals, witchcraft or homeopathy. Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational.

Yet your claim that it is a meaningless concept to say a person turning to God is wrong. If we say that a person has turned to God, you know they aren't hoping the magical powers of crystals will help them. You know they aren't gulping down homeopathic remedies. You know they are more likely praying to some god-concept they believe exists and cares about them.

 

[Tiberius]

"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence. I appreciate it.

Does believing in irrational things make a person irrational? Is it an irrational act to believe in something that is not rational?

 

[paarsurrey]

I have seen folks in addictions in 12 Step programs who do this and do well. But I have also seen folks turn to God and use it for hate and to exclude folks. SO to me I think it is good if they are not using it to exclude folks or be selfish like scamming people with it.

But if they are on the up ad up and use the power of God for good and for love then it is a good thing.

"But if they are on the up ad up and use the power of God for good and for love then it is a good thing."

I agree with one.
Regards

 

[Tiberius]

"But if they are on the up ad up and use the power of God for good and for love then it is a good thing."

I agree with one.
Regards

Yes, people can use belief in God as a motivation to do good. But there are also many who use it as an excuse to do bad things. Shouldn't we also take that into account? Isn't that an example of something that is wrong when people turn to God?

 

[paarsurrey]

You seem to be demanding that everyone else answers your question of "what harm would it do" and lots of people have answered so why will you not answer a similar question lots of people have asked you but you keep ignoring.

We agree someone turning to God will do no harm in itself. The question to you is; What good does someone just turning to any concept of God do?

I am not asking anybody to accept my concept of G-d.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

In what way does the virus or doing good things indicate the truthfulness of any of the various gods>

I did not present any specific G-d in the OP. Did I, please?

Regards

 

[The_Fisher_King]

While Corona spreads, what is wrong if human beings turn to G-d, reform themselves and do good deeds?
I see no harm in it. Right, please?

Regards

Can you please clarify the relevance of the spread of this coronavirus to the question of turning to God, reforming oneself, and doing good deeds? Are you suggesting that by turning to God, reforming oneself, and doing good deeds that will somehow limit the spread of the virus?

 

[Milton Platt]

I did not present any specific G-d in the OP. Did I, please?

Regards

Nor did I say you did. If the god the person is proposing belief in is not logical or rational, then the belief cannot be logical nor rational.

The word "god" is more of a job title than a proper name.

 

[paarsurrey]

I understand that there are three (maybe more)stages.

1. Those who are certain about their disbelief.
2. Those who are not certain about their disbelief, but they are not believers.
3. Those who believe in G-d but their concept of G-d is incorrect.

The OP is most relevant to the last two categories. Right, please?

It should not be difficult for the last to categories mentioned above to turn to G-d and ask forgiveness of Him and seek His help to fight against Corona-Virus. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Tiberius]

It should not be difficult for the last to categories mentioned above to turn to G-d and ask forgiveness of Him and seek His help to fight against Corona-Virus. Right, please?

Regards

I can give you sources regarding people who believe and turned to God for protection against Corona virus, who were subsequently killed by it.

Turning to God for help to fight this thing seems rather foolish.

 

[paarsurrey]

And what happens when they claim God told them that the holy water will protect them, or that God won't allow sickness in church? Lots of people will get sick, and people could die.

It is just superstitious, G-d never told it.
Regards

 

[Riders]

It always seems the darker a person gets, such as addiction that gets really dark, such as porn addiction or drug addiction, the more a person needs to be extreme to get out of it.

I feel like I am in the light of God, but having looked at porn and watching my fantasies get darker and darker I really wanted to get out of my addiction while I could before I broke the law or ended up int he psych ward for a suicide attempt.

But God has to be a part of it for me. The same thing with my weight loss always a higher power. But I have not turned to the church or any extreme religion to do it. But after the virus goes away I expect to be visiting my Buddha temple.