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What is the most fundamentalist city in your country?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Djamila, Aug 31, 2006.

  1. Djamila

    Djamila Bosnjakinja

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    Of all the cities in your country, which is the most fundamentalist - in terms of any particular faith?

    For Bosniaks, the most fundamentalist city in the world is Zenica. It is an industrial city, something that makes it somewhat a difficult place to live with a hard street life anyway - as everywhere else in the world.

    It is one of the most religiously homogenous cities in Bosnia, its population composed almost entirely of Muslims. In addition to this, at least half of those Muslims are refugees from rural Bosnia - each with their own sad, this-is-why-I-hate-X story to tell.

    Zenica, to its people, is like a Holy Land. Zenica, to everyone else in Bosnia - even fundamentalists from other areas - is a hideous, poverty-stricken, horrid little city. It's Bosnia's equivalent of Manchester, or New Jersey - coupled with Islamic fundamentalism.

    Here's a little clip of Zenica with an appropriate soundtrack.

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    Zenica
     
  2. Djamila

    Djamila Bosnjakinja

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    A few photographs from Zenica...

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    And lastly a magazine cover from DANI, one of the leading Islamic daily newspapers in Sarajevo. Although it was later proven there was absolutely no Bosnian involvement, the terrorists that carried out the attacks on the Madrid public transportation system entered Europe through Zenica.

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  3. BFD_Zayl

    BFD_Zayl New Member

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    the town i live in (go figure) if i dont keep my religion secret ill probably be beaten with a cane.
     
  4. Djamila

    Djamila Bosnjakinja

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    And the Christian equivalent of Bosnia would be Banja Luka. Before the war, Banja Luka was one of the most diverse cities in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    It was founded during the Ottoman Empire and boasted a mosque that was a UNESCO World Heritage Site. In addition to its Muslim population, it was home to tens of thousands of Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and Jews.

    The war came to Banja Luka quietly. The city was formally occupied by Serbian forces, its mosques and Roman Catholic churches dynamited, and its non-Serbian population put about cattle cars - yes, cattle cars - and carted off either to concentration camps near Prijedor, or to lives as refugees elsewhere in Bosnia.

    Today the city has been repopulated, mainly by Serbian refugees from Croatia and Roman Catholic returnees. Pope Jean Paul II visited Banja Luka, which was ranked by the Vatican as one of the least hospitable cities for Roman Catholics in the world.

    Muslims have returned in much smaller numbers as literally dozens have been murdered, since the war ended, upon their return.

    Here are a few pictures of Banja Luka.

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    The site of the Ferhadija Mosque, before and after the war. In total, more than 100 mosques and Roman Catholic churches were dynamited in Banja Luka. Even the rubble was carted away so they could never be rebuilt.

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  5. Capt. Haddock

    Capt. Haddock Evil Mouse

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    What is the most fudamentalist city in this country?

    Probably somewhere in the rural Deep South.

    I don't really know and I don't want to find out.

    The only important thing is: it's far, far away from here, and property values here are way too expensive for anyone from there to move here.

    I've never been to Zenica, but Manchester and New Jersey aren't that bad. There are plenty worse places in Britain and the US. The grimmest place I've been to in Britain is probably Southend, and in the US: Gary, Indiana. Neither place is particularly fundamentalist, though.
     
  6. Sunstone

    Sunstone De Diablo Del Fora Staff Member Premium Member

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    About 18 years ago, some bright local politician got the idea of persuading James Dobson to move his ministry, Focus On the Family from Southern California to Colorado Springs, Colorado. Dobson bought the idea and so James and his Focus organization settled here in Colorado Springs.

    They not only settled here in Colorado Springs, but they sent out representatives to Evangelical churches around the country to persuade ministers to recommend the Springs to Evangelical Christian families that wanted to live in a Evangelical Christian community.

    Thousands of Evangelical Christian families moved to the Springs, and the city changed complexion from an old fashioned Western conservative town to a neoconservative Evangelical Christian town.

    I wouldn't call Colorado Springs the most fundamentalist city in the country, but it is the only city I know of that solicits Evangelicals to move to it.

    Today the city is divided. The old city of about 100,000 people is more or less conservative on the old fashioned Western model of everybody mind your own business conservatism. Around the old city has grown up a newer city of about 400,000 people who largely are the people that immigrated here to be in an Evangelical community. They don't believe in minding their own business, but instead believe in such things as religious and political activism on social issues.

    For instance, the newer city folks have tried, somewhat successfully, to evangelicalize the cadets at the Air Force Academy (which is located in Colorado Springs). They have also taken over the local government and rolled back such things as medical benefits for partners of homosexuals who work for the city. And they've hounded and driven moderate Republicans out of office, replacing them with the sort of neoconservative Republicans who favor teaching creationism in school, or who are opposed to abortion in almost every instance, including rape or incest. Locally, they have also cut funding to such things as the Springs symphony, the local museums, the schools, and so forth.

    James Dobson and others are still in the business of soliciting Evangelical Christian families to move to the Springs. They describe the Springs to those families as "The New Jerusalem."
     
  7. c0da

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    Capt. Haddock is right. I live half an hour from Manchester by car, it's not so bad. Just like every big city, it's got its rough areas, but its not the worst place in the UK.

    There was a book out a couple of years ago which took all sorts of statistics into consideration (like crime rates, average incomes etc.) from cities around the UK and compiled a list of the fifty worst and Hull actually topped the list.

    The worst part of the UK I have been was an area of Soho I went through whilst I was in London last year. Not a pretty little place!

    I don't really know about the most fundamentalist area. We aren't a particularly religious country, with some of the lowest church attednances in Europe. The town I live in, St Helens, is said to be the 'Most Christian town in England', with 87% being Christian, but even still, the people I've spoken to don't seem excessively devout.
     
  8. sahra-t

    sahra-t /me loves frubals

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    Soho is actually a lovely place, I'm guessing you just went down a few back streets and ended up in a bit of a red light district.

    Don't forget Leicester Square, Piccadilly Circus, Carnaby Street and (surprise surprise) Soho Square are all in Soho.

    Anyway- not a city but I'd say Golders Green, with its high Jewish population.
     
  9. James the Persian

    James the Persian Dreptcredincios Crestin

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    I'd probably go with Bradford, being as it is the city which hosts the self-styled Muslim Parliament of Great Britain and certainly appears to have a majority Muslim population, many of whom seem quite devout (this may be skewed slightly by the fact that I work and grew up 'next door' in Leeds. I don't think that there are any particularly fundamentalist Christian cities in the UK but if there are, they're probably in Northern Ireland.

    James
     
  10. Capt. Haddock

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    Have you been to Stamford Hill? You get a lot of the Hasidic Jews there (the ones in G.G. aren't quite as hard core). Ironically, you also get a lot of very devout Muslims living in that area, and they like living with each other because it gives the whole place a religious and conservative feel. Pretty much all the women, of whatever faith, are all covered up.
     
  11. doppelganger

    doppelganger Through the Looking Glass

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    Waco, Texas should get at least honorable mention.
     
  12. Scarlett Wampus

    Scarlett Wampus psychonaut

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    Yeah religious zeal isn't very high in the UK at all. From an article on religion in the UK at religioustolerance.org: -

    [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]A 2004 government report revealed that about 74% of adults in England and Wales regard themselves as Christians. Another approximately 6% identify with another religion. But only about 7% of Christians in the UK actually attend church regularly. Hanne Stinson, director of the British Humanist Association, said that many adults are "cultural Christians." They see themselves as being Christian in the same way that they are British, almost in a tribal way. She said: "People label themselves with what they were brought up with...If they haven't gone to church for 20 years, they still put themselves down on official forms as 'Church of England'."

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    Results of the 2004-DEC "YouGov" survey:

    [/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]According to The Telegraph: [/FONT]
    [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]"...a YouGov survey provides overwhelming evidence that the British are now a largely irreligious people. Only a minority believe that God exists and almost everyone acknowledges that Britain is becoming an increasingly secular society...the national mood appears to be one of benign indifference."[/FONT]
    [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]YouGov polled 1,981 adults across Britain during 2004-DEC-16 to 18. The margin of error was about ±>2.5 percentage points. Some results:[/FONT]
    • [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]A minority, 44%, believe in God. This is a drop from 77% in 1968 -- an unusually rapid change for religious matters.[/FONT]
    • [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Of those who believe in God, 3% believe in more than one God and 10% believe in "some other kind of Supreme Being."[/FONT]
    • [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]33% believe in the existence of Heaven[/FONT]
    • [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]25% believe in Hell. This result has changed little since 1968.[/FONT]
    • [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Over a third of young adults describe themselves as Agnostic or Atheist.[/FONT]
     
  13. Sunstone

    Sunstone De Diablo Del Fora Staff Member Premium Member

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    I'm confused, Captain. If the women are all covered up, then how do they bounce on trampolines? Are you really sure this is a religious community you're talking about?
     
  14. BrandonE

    BrandonE King of Parentheses

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    Sunstone: I didn't realize CO Springs was like that. Sounds like scaryville.

    My city is not the most fundamentalist in the world, but we sure are steeped in religion. There's an incredible number of churches per capita here, as I'm sure there is in most of the Bible Belt. We've even recently started to see the "mega-church" phenomena move in down here, but there are still scads of small neighborhood churches with just a hundred or so members.
     
  15. Capt. Haddock

    Capt. Haddock Evil Mouse

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    Ah, but if they ever DO bounce on trampolines, it will finally answer the age old question of whether they wear anything underneath those abayas or not.
     
  16. Bishka

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    I'd probably say any place with FLDS in it.
     
  17. PetShopBoy88

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    Like Colorado City, Utah?
     
  18. Bishka

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    Is Colorado City in Utah?

    Yeah, And the compound in Texas (at least I think that's where it is) as well.
     
  19. PetShopBoy88

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    Oops. It's in Arizona, right on the Arizona/Utah border. It's twin city is Hildale, Utah. So, yeah, while technically not Colorado City when it's in Utah, it's still the same metropolitan arean. So, that was my bad.

    Eldorado, Texas.
     
  20. Djamila

    Djamila Bosnjakinja

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    Here's a map of Colorado City/Hildale:

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