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what is the essence/core belief of judaism?

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
All religions have an "essence" that makes them what they are-despite their many sects and varying customs and beliefs.

What is the essence of Judaism, that basically sums up what it is? I'm not talking about people being Jewish ethnically (whether ancestrally or as the cultural group), but Judaism the religion, even though the other definitions of Jewishness can be related, but thats a totally seperate issue that I wont discuss much of that confusing issue in this thread.

Judaism is very confusing for me (and fascinating) because there is nothing specific on the surface that makes it stand out as a religion in what defines it. Many think Judaism is like Christianity but their core belief is rejecting Christ as Messiah and believing one will come, but then again, Messianics consider themselves a Jewish sect as well as Christian, so the belief Jesus isnt the OT messiah may not neccearily be what defines Judaism.

Judaism is also confusing to define in its essence because its a blend of religion, ethnicity, and culture. Heres some facts. Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Jewish ethnicity, nationality and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[33][34][35] Converts to Judaism typically have a status within the Jewish ethnos equal to those born into it.[36]Conversion is not encouraged by mainstream Judaism, and is considered a tough task, mainly applicable for cases of mixed marriages.[37]
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Ive had a few theories-following Moses, following certain traditions, or the core belief that a Messiah will come.

The Old Testament traditions Jews practice come from Moses, especially the laws, but then again, much of it is new customs that came long after Moses, so you cant say Moses alone is the essence of Judaism (other abrahamic faiths believe in him too-they dont follow his teachings much though-the mitzvahs). A lot of it is from rabbinical traditions and laws and customs of ethnic Jews (like bar mitzvahs and weding customs).

Since Jewish is also cultural and ethnic, is it fair to say the essence of Judaism is the traditions of the Jewish people? That may be true, but then again, customs dont generally define a religion. Catholics and Protestants have many unique and distinct traditions, but theyre still considered Christianity.y

As most Jews view Messianics as non Jews and as a Christian sect, that makes it a pretty good case the belief a Messiah will come is the core belief of Judaism, since messianics (who believe he's come already and was Jesus Christ) are viewed as non-Jews by Jews generally. But then again, some view them as Jewish sect, so its not so black and white.
 
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Tumah

Veteran Member
All religions have an "essence" that makes them what they are-despite their many sects and varying customs and beliefs. For Christians, its a belief in the divinity and crucifixtion and following the teachings of Jesus. For Mormons, its a belief in Joseph Smith. For Muslims, a belief in Mohammad, and for Buddhists, a belief in Buddha. Hindus believe in millions of gods and the teachings of their scriptures. Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the old testament prophets and figures, but they have a different essence, and so they are different religions.

What is the essence of Judaism, that basically sums up what it is? I'm not talking about people being Jewish ethnically (whether ancestrally or as the cultural group), but Judaism the religion, even though the other definitions of Jewishness can be related, but thats a totally seperate issue that I wont discuss much of that confusing issue in this thread.

Judaism is very confusing for me (and fascinating) because there is nothing specific on the surface that makes it stand out as a religion in what defines it. Many think Judaism is like Christianity but their core belief is rejecting Christ as Messiah and believing one will come, but then again, Messianics consider themselves a Jewish sect as well as Christian, so the belief Jesus isnt the OT messiah may not neccearily be what defines Judaism.

Judaism is also confusing to define in its essence because its a blend of religion, ethnicity, and culture. Heres some facts. Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Jewish ethnicity, nationality and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[33][34][35] Converts to Judaism typically have a status within the Jewish ethnos equal to those born into it.[36]Conversion is not encouraged by mainstream Judaism, and is considered a tough task, mainly applicable for cases of mixed marriages.[37]
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Ive had a few theories-following Moses, following certain traditions, or the core belief that a Messiah will come.

The Old Testament traditions Jews practice come from Moses, especially the laws, but then again, much of it is new customs that came long after Moses, so you cant say Moses alone is the essence of Judaism (other abrahamic faiths believe in him too-they dont follow his teachings much though-the mitzvahs). A lot of it is from rabbinical traditions and laws and customs of ethnic Jews (like bar mitzvahs and weding customs).

Since Jewish is also cultural and ethnic, is it fair to say the essence of Judaism is the traditions of the Jewish people? That may be true, but then again, customs dont generally define a religion. Catholics and Protestants have many unique and distinct traditions, but theyre still considered Christianity.y

As most Jews view Messianics as non Jews and as a Christian sect, that makes it a pretty good case the belief a Messiah will come is the core belief of Judaism, since messianics (who believe he's come already and was Jesus Christ) are viewed as non-Jews by Jews generally. But then again, some view them as Jewish sect, so its not so black and white.
This article may help you.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
... Many think Judaism is like Christianity but their core belief is rejecting Christ as Messiah and believing one will come, ...As most Jews view Messianics as non Jews and as a Christian sect, ...

The core belief is monotheism.

What makes most messianics be considered as christian has less to do with if Yeshua was a Messiah or not as it has to do with their acceptance of christian trinitarian theology.

Such belief is not monotheism for Jews.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
All religions have an "essence" that makes them what they are-despite their many sects and varying customs and beliefs. For Christians, its a belief in the divinity and crucifixtion and following the teachings of Jesus. For Mormons, its a belief in Joseph Smith. For Muslims, a belief in Mohammad, and for Buddhists, a belief in Buddha. Hindus believe in millions of gods and the teachings of their scriptures. Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the old testament prophets and figures, but they have a different essence, and so they are different religions.

The "essence" of Judaism is our adherence to God's Torah:

Na’aseh v’nishma
We will do and we will hear.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
The short answer is Deut. 6:4 "Listen, Israel! YHVH our God: YHVH is One!"

The somewhat less short answer is, monotheism, belief in the covenant of Torah between God and the People Israel, observance of the commandments, interpretation of the Written Torah in light of the Oral Torah.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
All religions have an "essence" that makes them what they are-despite their many sects and varying customs and beliefs. For Christians, its a belief in the divinity and crucifixtion and following the teachings of Jesus. For Mormons, its a belief in Joseph Smith. For Muslims, a belief in Mohammad, and for Buddhists, a belief in Buddha. Hindus believe in millions of gods and the teachings of their scriptures. Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the old testament prophets and figures, but they have a different essence, and so they are different religions.

What is the essence of Judaism, that basically sums up what it is? I'm not talking about people being Jewish ethnically (whether ancestrally or as the cultural group), but Judaism the religion, even though the other definitions of Jewishness can be related, but thats a totally seperate issue that I wont discuss much of that confusing issue in this thread.

Judaism is very confusing for me (and fascinating) because there is nothing specific on the surface that makes it stand out as a religion in what defines it. Many think Judaism is like Christianity but their core belief is rejecting Christ as Messiah and believing one will come, but then again, Messianics consider themselves a Jewish sect as well as Christian, so the belief Jesus isnt the OT messiah may not neccearily be what defines Judaism.

Judaism is also confusing to define in its essence because its a blend of religion, ethnicity, and culture. Heres some facts. Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Jewish ethnicity, nationality and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[33][34][35] Converts to Judaism typically have a status within the Jewish ethnos equal to those born into it.[36]Conversion is not encouraged by mainstream Judaism, and is considered a tough task, mainly applicable for cases of mixed marriages.[37]
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Ive had a few theories-following Moses, following certain traditions, or the core belief that a Messiah will come.

The Old Testament traditions Jews practice come from Moses, especially the laws, but then again, much of it is new customs that came long after Moses, so you cant say Moses alone is the essence of Judaism (other abrahamic faiths believe in him too-they dont follow his teachings much though-the mitzvahs). A lot of it is from rabbinical traditions and laws and customs of ethnic Jews (like bar mitzvahs and weding customs).

Since Jewish is also cultural and ethnic, is it fair to say the essence of Judaism is the traditions of the Jewish people? That may be true, but then again, customs dont generally define a religion. Catholics and Protestants have many unique and distinct traditions, but theyre still considered Christianity.y

As most Jews view Messianics as non Jews and as a Christian sect, that makes it a pretty good case the belief a Messiah will come is the core belief of Judaism, since messianics (who believe he's come already and was Jesus Christ) are viewed as non-Jews by Jews generally. But then again, some view them as Jewish sect, so its not so black and white.
Since others have well chimed in explanations and links, let me just make one statement, and that is not to confuse "Jews" with "Judaism". The latter is a religion and the former is a nationality. There is some intertwining of the two, but one may be Jewish and yet be secular of even a member of another religion.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
What is the essence of Judaism, that basically sums up what it is?
Our core is Torah. From Torah comes our beliefs, our traditions, and our laws.

Judaism is very confusing for me (and fascinating) because there is nothing specific on the surface that makes it stand out as a religion in what defines it.
Our specific surface belief is strict monotheism.

Ive had a few theories-following Moses, following certain traditions, or the core belief that a Messiah will come.

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As most Jews view Messianics as non Jews and as a Christian sect, that makes it a pretty good case the belief a Messiah will come is the core belief of Judaism...

That the messiah will come, isn't a core belief of Judaism. It is just one that you will hear all the time because its what most Christians want to talk about.
If you listen to talk among ourselves, we mostly talk about our laws and traditions and their application to our lives.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
Certainly can't forget the food.

While we're on the subject of Torah and food, is anyone else's congregation having a cheesecake bake-off as part of their Shavuot celebration?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
You forgot about food and mishpachah.
Mishpacha?
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Our core is Torah. From Torah comes our beliefs, our traditions, and our laws.


Our specific surface belief is strict monotheism.



That the messiah will come, isn't a core belief of Judaism. It is just one that you will hear all the time because its what most Christians want to talk about.
If you listen to talk among ourselves, we mostly talk about our laws and traditions and their application to our lives.

Then how come Christians, who believe Jesus is the divine messiah and Son of God, are considered a seperate religion from Jews? If the essence of Christianity is Jesus being the Messiah, then how can you say the concept of the Messiah coming and not being Jesus, isnnt the essence of Judaism? I'm not basing this off of what Christians talk about-its based off my knowledge of both faiths.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Then how come Christians, who believe Jesus is the divine messiah and Son of God, are considered a seperate religion from Jews? If the essence of Christianity is Jesus being the Messiah, then how can you say the concept of the Messiah coming and not being Jesus, isnnt the essence of Judaism? I'm not basing this off of what Christians talk about-its based off my knowledge of both faiths.

Christians believe Jesus was God and the son of God. They believe in the trinity. They believe in the necessity of Jesus to save everyone. They believe in Original Sin and the nature of all human beings as born in sin. But Jews do not believe God can incarnate as a human being. Or impregnate a human woman. We believe the nature of God is to be One and indivisible. We do not believe in the necessity of any agent of salvation. We do not believe in Original Sin. We do not believe human beings are born in sin, nor can they inherit sin.

Christians believe their covenant is for everyone, and that everyone ought to be a Christian. Jews believe their covenant is purely between the Jewish People and God, and do not believe that everyone needs to be Jewish.

The essence of Jewish belief is monotheism, study of Torah, and observance of the commandments. Messianism is a relatively minor aspect of Judaism. Aside from the various other things Christians believe which are different from Jewish belief, Christians do not believe they are obligated to follow most of the commandments-- they seem to pick and choose relatively randomly which are indispensible or obligatory-- and those they do follow, they decide comparatively haphazardly and literalistically how to observe, rather than following the interpretations and instructions of the Rabbis of the Talmud, according to the teachings of the Oral Torah, as Jews do.

Christianity and Judaism are radically different, and completely incompatible, religions.
 
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