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what is the difference between...
- Thread starter waitasec
- Start date
i am going to hope for good things.
and
i am going to pray for good things.
One's a Hail Mary (forgive the expression) to the universe. The other is a Hail Mary to some deity.
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
Hope is something we have a desire for. We want it to happen for us
I hope for a million dollars, I hope for a better job, I hope I dont die on the way home from work.
Faith is a little different.
Faith is a tad different with faith one excepts the outcome as the better I have cancer, I hope to get better, if I dont I have faith Gods will shall be done to what he sees best.
Faith is a little different.
Faith is a tad different with faith one excepts the outcome as the better I have cancer, I hope to get better, if I dont I have faith Gods will shall be done to what he sees best.
waitasec
Veteran Member
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
Not if you hope for something bad to happen.
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
WILLAMENA!!!! One of my favorite people to talk to...You honestly don’t think there is a difference between hope and faith???
An earthquake happens and 500 people are trapped inside...There isn’t a difference between saying, I sure hope they are alright and saying I have faith that they are alright???
Having hope that someone is alright is not the same as knowing they are alright through faith.
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
The latter is a bit more active, but still retarded will.i am going to hope for good things.
and
i am going to pray for good things.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i was talking to a mom at my sons school the other day and she off handedly mentioned she was going to pray for a good out come....
i responded with, yes lets hope for the best...
waitasec
Veteran Member
A hail mary is taken from at least as far as the centre line. Damn straight!
waitasec
Veteran Member
how is it more active do you suppose?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Depends on the prayer I guess, but essentially it's a form of action: petitioning the Divine for intervention, as opposed to hope, which is essentially just doing nothing.
waitasec
Veteran Member
where the meaning of the word "pray" isn't secularized there is a difference, then ultimately, it's really only a matter of opinion that there is a difference.
I think there can be value in communal affirmation and many prayers take this form. That said, while I have no problem with something like ...
Oh God, let there be peace.
I would be every bit as happy with ...Let us affirm our desire for peace.
and, in fact, have a mild preference for the latter.
waitasec
Veteran Member
petitioning to the divine is still an act of hope though as the end result is still unknown.
these are both words that have equal value when it comes to action
waitasec
Veteran Member
i agree. for me it is a straightforward sentiment
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
It is as much an act of hope as writing your congressman, but at least it's an act. Hoping is doing absolutely nothing.
waitasec
Veteran Member
a congressman needs their constituents support...the divine does not, or does it?
BobbyisStrange
The Adversary
I guess when you petition to the divine faith then comes into play. I still say there is a huge difference between hope and faith based praying.
Perhaps its like faith vs. belief...In order to have faith you must believe...however you can believe without faith...
I have never been to California, but I believe California exists...I don’t have faith it does.
So maybe hope causes someone to pray..However you don’t have to pray, have faith or petition to a deity to have hope.
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