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What is the difference between Atheistic Luciferianism and LaVey Satanism?

Discussion in 'Luciferianism DIR' started by The Sum of Awe, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Theistic Luciferianism is where they look up to Lucifer as a brother and follow what he did, as I've been told by a Luciferian I've met named Dansity.

    Atheistic Luciferianism I have no clue what it is.

    LaVey Satanism is pretty obvious to know what it is. It is best described as self-worship and to some symbolic satanism.
     
  2. Twig pentagram

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    I can't really see too much of a difference. Atheistic Luciferians seem to be more secretive, and more into magic. I could be wrong though, it's hard to tell with both sides because the intiates or practitioners are so full of individuality that it's almost impossible to generalize them.
     
  3. Gloone

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    Really? Atheist and Magic? I would like to know how that works.
     
  4. The Sum of Awe

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    Uhm. There are some atheists that believe in magic...
     
  5. savethedreams

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    Really, i thought atheist do not believe in any supernatural 'thing' including magic and reject them all.
     
  6. Breathe

    Breathe Bitter Edgelord :^)

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    This is a DIR, but I thought I'd add something whilst adhering to the rules.

    Atheism simply means "no God belief". You can be an atheist and believe in anything, as long as it's not God. Reincarnation, karma, magic, curses, ghosts, fairies, talking animals, aliens, alien based creationism...

    Perhaps you were thinking of naturalism? :)



    As to the OP, if there is little difference between atheist Luciferians and Satanists, what is the difference between theist Satanists and Luciferians, too? :confused:
     
  7. savethedreams

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    So that is kinda confusing...because an atheist did tell me an atheist is one who doesn't believe in no reincarnation, karma, magic, curses, fairies, talking animals...

    I believe in it all.

    But also God...God is defined as a supernatural forces responsible for the universe, that doesn't mean 'religion'.
     
  8. The Sum of Awe

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    God doesn't have to be involved with the supernatural forces that live in or amongst our universe.

    I know a man on facebook that believes in the devil but not God. The only thing that is more confusing than that is a son of a god but not a god which is impossible.
     
  9. Twig pentagram

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    Atheistic luciferians are usually autotheistic or pantheistic or a mixture of both. An autotheist and a pantheist have atheistic properties but they're not exactly the same as an atheist.
     
  10. Twig pentagram

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    It depends on which side of the coin. Theistic Satanism is different from Atheistic and Theistic Luciferianism. Theistic Satanist believe in Satan as an actual deity and Theistic Luciferians believe in Lucifer as an actual deity. Atheistic Luciferians don't think that Lucifer is an actual deity.
     
  11. Gloone

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    That is what I have been thinking. There is no way a luciferian can be a full atheist. Seems naive to an extent beyond comprehension. I would say it is more of a balance, than any one over the other.

    Luciferian, CHURCH OF ADVERSARIAL LIGHT, Luciferianism, Magick, Self-Illumination, Adversarial Light

    [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Adversarial Light to an Atheistic Luciferian is often intellect and the ability to see beyond myth and mystical “truths” to understand you have one life now, your planning and strategic application of knowledge must be to better your life and world NOW! The Gods are symbols of the collective psyche of humanity and represent often balance and the potential of our being.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Adversarial Light to a Theistic Luciferian or Spiritualist is the intellect given to us by the Gods in all of their forms. Often the Gods are spiritual forces within the collective subconscious of humanity. Adversarial Light is the intellect and power of one who uses Magick to explore the self, sharpen skills in sorcery and applying Will-Desire-Belief and obtaining results. It is a must to be skeptical and question everything, no matter if you are a Theistic or Atheistic Luciferian. [/FONT]
     
  12. Mindmaster

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    Pardon me if I see the severe parallels in what you have posted and the fundamentals of Thelema, OTO, and Crowley work with different names. Adversarial Light sounds a great deal like another name for True Will (or Will), and HGA or Holy Guardian Angel references prove the point. I'm not sure if what Michael Ford is doing is his own work or just renaming everything and synthesizing it from a million different sources. On that note, I couldn't particularly see where Luciferians have a common ground with any Satanist. I'm not making a judgement quality, but rather just stating their objectives are much different apparently. If you find Thelema and Satanism compatible you may feel that Luciferianism is proper, but many Satanists wouldn't see these two concepts able to merge. :)
     
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  13. Orias

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    It is in my view that Theistic Luciferians often rever to Lucifer as "God" or "Light", which consists everywhere, since every molecule contains biophotons.

    Not that they necessarily try and condemn themselves (which is commonly understood as being relative to the Christian text), rather they try and ascend "beyond comprehension". Much like any other Satanist or even LHP followers in general.

    It is much like Luciferianism and Atheism, supernatural entities do not need to exist to make one a "theist".

    Autotheism tends to be something that people teach ignorantly, Anton LaVey just puts it into words, Luciferianism is no different.

    Even Christians provoke a deeper sense of "human being", and what it is to be created in the "image" of "God", where this image provokes an unrest in people's minds. A sort of disembowelment on the bible, God believes in no other God, which means he views himself as "God", and sense we were created in his "image"...you get the rest...

    All things are Satanic :D
     
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    Damn, I thought I was the only one :facepalm:.

    Great point though, that's why I often find myself in conflict with Atheists not being fully able to grab onto what I believe. I guess they could say the same about me.
     
  15. Twig pentagram

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    We all thought we were the only ones until we met others. Hotep Morning Star.
     
  16. lamplighter

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    To Quote myself:

     
  17. Twig pentagram

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    Sounds like light to me.
     
  18. EtuMalku

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    Ok, this thread is getting silly . . . then again I may be contributing to the silliness!

    Whether you are a Theistic or non-Theistic Luciferian you are NOT an Atheist.
    Atheists have no Faith in anything, they lack Faith.
    All Belief systems from RHP's to LHP's (including my Path) has a certain amount of Faith involved.
    The Occult itself requires Faith, for there is a plethora of things unknown and impossible to know given our present state of existence.

    The Atheist just does away with all of this and lives for and in the NOW.
     
  19. Orias

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    For some reason...that makes me sad. :(
     
  20. The Sum of Awe

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    You are thinking of naturalism
     
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